More than single "salary" in many areas of /P activity

[SP9MA]

@F5JKK

There’s no bigotry to be had, in my case (I’m not a very active activator) I’m happy to do QSOs with all of my chasers when I’m on a summit.
Guru @EA2IF if you are a little curious take a look at the GoGreen XOTA program and you will be able to see since 2020 (start of the program) how many non Sota (GMA & WFF) you have contacted!
It is however very often SOTA activators which are on peaks with multiple references.

We can understand that you are irritated by the practice of certain operators, the best is to do what you usually do, send them an email

To avoid the many 44s or others, it would be wise not to put double SOTA and WFF alerts and spots…

And as Yoda said “may the force be with you”

73 Éric

Hi Eric @F5JKK,
Nice to log you so many times
To avoid off topic in thread opened by Guru @EA2IF

Cheated by /P in GMA, FF or similar non SOTA

Either as an activator or as a chaser, I personally feel cheated by those signing with a /P who are pretending to have and actually having priority in the pileup for a SOTA to SOTA contact when they are not activating SOTA and they are only activating a GMA, FF or just in a portable holiday location. When I’m chasing, I usually wait and let the /P callsigns priority for them to be able to work the SOTA to SOTA contact. When I’ve done that and later I find the chaser I’ve given priority is not a…

I decided to open new thread because your post inspired me to underline one detail of /P activity

Nowadays for SOTA is no more double references.

Some time ago, there was a discussion about double (border summits) summits references. Sometimes they were even triple references.
As long as they existed and it was consistent with SOTA rules, they were activated.
I also did so for some time, then stopped.
Now they have been deleted and each summit has only one SOTA reference.

This is OK I think because if you do one job, you should receive one salary.

Nevertheless, at the moment we can go to one summit and then send the log to SOTA, GMA, WFF, and maybe even somewhere else …

How is this different from double (triple) SOTA references that have been canceled ?

In fact it is multiple salary for one job … isn’t it ?

73, Jarek

[VK3AFW]

Jarek,

I think Guru meant to say he was very disappointed rather than cheated. If SOTA activators do not send “/P” but " S2S" the problem would almost vanish for Guru. A few operators taking part in non SOTA mountain based awards might legitimately call S2S but I expect they would not be many.

I am very disappointed that I do not have to fend off many /P callers when on a peak. New Year’s Day rollover is the only time I have many S2S calls.

73
Ron
VK3AFW

[SP9MA]

Hi Ron,

This topic is not about that
Anyway thanks for your post.

73, Jarek

[G8ADD]

I can’t see any equivalence between /P and S2S. S2S tells you that you are being called from another summit. /P tells you that you are being called by a portable station that frankly could be in any sort of location, and probably but not necessarily running low power.

Incidentally, complaints that have been voiced about the use of /P or for that matter /QRP, because they are not a license requirement, remind me of the fascist principle that everything that is not compulsory is forbidden.

[MM0FMF]

@VK3AFW

very disappointed rather than cheated.

Yup. I too have felt an anti-climax after struggling to work another /P station through QRM and QSB only to find it wasn’t a SOTA summit. Initially I thought all that effort and struggle for no S2S points and then thought well at least it was good training for when there is a weak S2S chaser calling. All I can say when I have had non-SOTA (GMA normally) stations call me on an activation they haven’t been sending S2S or /P/P/P to try and bump themselves up any queue I may be running.

So for the absence of doubt, I can see what Guru is trying to say. And for the further absence of doubt, if you are /P for what ever reason, I’m still happy to work you even if you offer me no extra points.

EDIT: This is probably in the wrong thread.

[MM0EFI]

@G8ADD

everything that is not compulsory is forbidden.

Shiver down spine

That’s more Totalitarian than Facist.

Have this:
All Chasers are Equal, but some are more Equal than others.

[VK3AFW]

Sorry, I’ve misunderstood what you meant by the word “salary”. I read the rest of your post under a misapprehension.

73
Ron
VK3AFW

Going off topic is something that seem to be a requirement on all SOTA threads.

[SP9MA]

@MM0FMF

EDIT: This is probably in the wrong thread.

Due to some misunderstanding I repeat below what is the subject of this topic:

I decided to open new thread because your post inspired me to underline one detail of /P activity

Nowadays for SOTA is no more double references.

Some time ago, there was a discussion about double (border summits) summits references. Sometimes they were even triple references.
As long as they existed and it was consistent with SOTA rules, they were activated.
I also did so for some time, then stopped.
Now they have been deleted and each summit has only one SOTA reference.

This is OK I think because if you do one job, you should receive one “salary”.

Nevertheless, at the moment we can go to one summit and then send the log to SOTA, GMA, WFF, and maybe even somewhere else …

How is this different from double (triple) SOTA references that have been canceled ?

In fact it is multiple “salary” for one job … isn’t it ?

73, Jarek

[9A3IV]

No, it is not multiple salary.

It would be if and only if is for you and only you. But everybody can go to that spot and gain the same

[SP9MA]

@9A3IV

everybody can go to that spot and gain the same

Yes, everybody can activate summit one time and earn points from SOTA, GMA & WFF if activated summit belongs to all those programs.
This I called “multiple salary for one job”
This is similar to double/triple SOTA references of single summit that we had some time ago.

73, Jarek

[9A3IV]

No, I dont think. At least, not from this moment on

You will climb to this sumnit only once, I agree. But, if you want it for sota I will ask sota reference. If you want it for wff I will ask wff reference. So you will pay by time your multiple salary

Thank you all on this reflector for comments. It helps me clear some things in my head. I will change my behaviour acording. It helps me a lot. Thank you again

[VK3AFW]

Hi Jarek,

Now I understand. Many people get double salaries in the real world. But it involves some extra work.

In VK some SOTA operators will also give out a WWFF reference if the summit is in a listed park. Because of the way WWFF works it’s the activator who loads the log and the chaser gets a free ride by the software listing him. It costs the activator time so extra work for a second salary seems fine.

When activating I have frequently been called and asked for my VK Shires reference which I usually don’t know. So no one gets extra pay. The VKlogging program by Peter VK3ZPF incorporates all details you might want including these other programs. It requires taking a tablet or notebook computer which I don’t want to do.