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Sota possible at new dizzy hieghts

Just caught this on the south gate news.

Possible they could get hooked Sota-ing in the Himalayas.

PS does this me possible double points as summits so high its unreal :slight_smile:

Interesting read I have to admit

http://www.southgatearc.org/news/2016/may/climbers_get_ham_radio_licenses.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AmateurRadioNews+(Southgate+Amateur+Radio+News)#.V0lOQ2grK70

Karl

Well, it’s set up as an automated safety feature, so nothing at all like conducting SOTA activations from the summits Karl. First, the association(s) would have to be set up anyway. You never know, but I wouldn’t hold your breath.

Double points? Of course not :wink:

This is a completely bogus use of amateur radio. They need hand held transceivers and some beacon units. They should be using commercial frequencies for such an exploit and not stealing amateur frequencies because they don’t need to follow other regulations.

As for first licence issued to a mountaineer, do they mean Indian mountaineer because I think there are quite a few proper mountaineers with licences already.

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Interesting.

Leads me to a question has any one been up to these places yet and operated on the ham bands as yet.

But whom knows what future holds may be in our life time, we may hear CQ Sota from the tip of Everest or its surrounding peaks. Now that would be well cool would it not.

karl

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Sorry, Karl, but the first epithet that comes to mind is “stupid” rather than “cool”! I think the death toll on Everest in the past week has been three. Summiting Everest is a feat of endurance beyond most of us. Even with the fixed ropes and ladders that the Sherpas install at the start of each season, young, fit and skilled mountaineers regularly die up there. You need to carry oxygen rather than ham gear!

Watching some of the films about Everest (well, a guy can dream, can’t he?) VHF handies often figure in the communications, though what license (if any) is never mentioned! A 2 metre SOTA is not impossible, but I doubt that the extra gear for HF is practical, and operating it through a triple layer of gloves would take practice!

Brian

Perhaps a little strong Brian? :blush: As you say we all like to dream and lots of things that might once have been regarded as stupid have now been achieved (or even become common place).

Indeed. To be fair, Karl used the phrase “in our lifetime”. Now that metric will be varied among the SOTA community, but I for one hope to have another decent 45 years on top of the 45 years I’ve already had. When one thinks of the exponential technological advances in that last 45 years, you cannot rule out the possibility of safe passage to Everest’s summit and ability to efficiently and safely make amateur radio transmissions - between now and 2061.

It seems unimaginable of course. But then so many things we take for granted now will have been unimaginable - and indeed unimagined - at the start of the 1970s.

In my life time
I have seen a lot of things
First man in space
Men on the moon
The internet

Things happening now you would not thought possible 30 years ago and the times man has said can’t do that due to what ever and now here we are doing it.

Boundaries are being stretched all the time.

Am pushing 57 and whom knows what my life time might see, let alone bring :scream:

BUT end of day hell of a take off point from up there for sure won’t need a big antenna a simple loop would do or small antenna. look on how Sota activators have lightened there loads from first started as in battery technology, lighter smaller more power out put. Sizes of TX’s see a FT-817 my god not know they that small.

May be bit on impossible side today

But who knows what Tomorrow will bring.

Be great to work a activator on top of the highest summit in world.
Dream, yep certainly so.
Don’t think I be going up there me self thou.

Karl

There was a time when I dreamed of going there myself, even if it was only to Base Camp to look up. Other things got in the way and it never happened, but I went into the logistics and the difficulties quite extensively.

Do you know that the mortality rate amongst fit experienced climbers on Everest is 6.5%? In 2014, seventeen Sherpas died on the mountain. On the final approach to the summit, the first guy to do it without using oxygen (Reinhold Messner) was taking ten breaths for every step, and stopping to rest every ten steps. One guy I spoke to who got to the top said that he could only stay for three minutes, the cold and the tearing wind drove him back down after a batch of photos - and he had an electrically heated suit and gloves.

Technology has made it marginally possible, but it is still a lot more dangerous than, say, the front line in Afghanistan during the war! To make it easier to get there a new generation of helicopters might waft you to the summit, they might build a cable car, even a mountain railway, but conditions at the top, battered by the jet stream, will still be pretty nasty. I called it “stupid” because even without a radio you are facing odds that are not enticing even for the most daring of us - you would have to be driven to accept a one in fifteen chance of coming down in a body bag - eventually (there is no hurry to retrieve corpses!)

Brian

I think Brian Blessed was the most impressive of all to attempt it.

He dressed up as an explorer, with no aided oxygen. The man is a total beast !

As Brian has mentioned forget radio, the chances of even staying up there to make contacts are so slim you would be risking your own life in doing so. Especially for a HF styled activation, no way.

Imagine the anger you would experience if someone deliberately QRM’ed you, or if you had some total LID of a chaser on the other end…

He wouldn’t need a radio to make himself heard, either :wink:

I think of Ranulph Fiennes, reaching the summit at age 65, having had a heart bypass a few years earlier.

Not something I would want to attempt, but it puts the normal trials of life in perspective!

Adrian
G4AZS

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So, on a related note… what is the highest altitude of an activation so far? This doesn’t seem to be something you can easily ask the database (though it would be easy for the DBA to find out…) but I do see that Mont Blanc has been done a couple of times (and on HF, to boot). Any 5000m+ peaks, though?

You can download a complete list of summits from the Database that has details of the last activation in one of the columns. So you could sort it by Alt. (descending) and find the one nearest the top of the list that has an activation recorded.

You’d probably need a CSV editor to handle it as there are more than 65536 summits in SOTA - unless you have a relatively new PC and recent version of Office.

Mont Blanc compared to Everest is different. The latter being much colder, which is one of the most challenging aspects of the climb, and one that kills most people combined with small lungs :wink:

To climb everest you must either be totally fixated on the achievement so far as not caring whether you die in the process, or you accept the risk and hope to live.

Some grim stories are written about climbers dying on Everest, Its not a pleasant subject.

Highest 20 activations so far:

F/AB-001	Mont Blanc		4807	F/SQ9MDF	2009-08-13
I/PM-419	Punta Gnifetti		4554	I1URL/1		2015-07-26
W6/SN-001	Mount Whitney		4418	KB1WDW		2015-10-28
W7W/RS-001	Mt Rainier 		4392	W1DMH/7		2014-05-22
W0C/SR-001	Mount Elbert		4391	WS0TA		2011-07-21
W0C/SR-058	Mount Massive		4387	KI6YMZ		2014-08-03
W6/SN-002	Mount Williamson	4382	KJ6HOT		2014-07-05
W0C/SP-001	La Plata Peak		4361	WS0TA		2013-08-02
W0C/RG-001	Uncompahgre Peak	4353	KX0R		2013-09-05
W0C/FR-001	Mount Lincoln		4346	WA6MM		2014-09-06
W6/CD-001	White Mountain Peak	4342	KJ6HOT		2015-10-12
W0C/FR-002	Grays Peak		4341	AD0KE		2015-10-17
W0C/SR-003	Mount Antero		4341	NM5S		2015-08-02
W0C/PR-013	Torreys Peak		4340	AD0KE		2015-10-17
W0C/PR-014	Quandary Peak		4339	WA6MM		2014-10-18
W0C/FR-003	Mount Evans		4339	KX0R		2015-09-22
W0C/WE-001	Castle Peak		4339	N0BCB		2013-08-04
W0C/FR-110	Longs Peak		4336	N0BCB		2015-08-23
W0C/SR-004	Mount Shavano		4328	KI6YMZ		2012-09-02
W0C/SR-005	Mount Princeton		4319	N0BCB		2014-08-01

Boo. Bad form. Hiss. Spoilsport.

You could have at least gone down as far as 3715m ASL :rage:

Just for Tom as he wasn’t in the top 20… here is number 191.

EA8/TF-001	El Teide	3715	EA4FJX/P	2015-08-29
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Also photographers - no light DSLR cameras but heavy photo equipment (40 lbs), no Sherpas - are pushing the limits of contemporary landscape photography.
Five hours of photographing on the top of Gasherbrum II… I would not have believed that such things could happen - and thus activating Gasherbrum II (8,035 m asl) on HF is practically very imaginable!

http://www.horolezec.cz/index_en.html

73! Karel

Thank you for spelling that out Andy :flushed:

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I’m well aware of that. (Amongst other things, Everest is an order of magnitude more expensive to get up!)

Also, it is worth noting that the death rate is not evenly distributed across groups; some organisations have a much lower casualty rate. I’m still not tempted though; I don’t really want to ever describe my leisure activities as “gruelling”.

Thanks for that!

On reflection this doesn’t seem too surprising, given the general dearth of 5000m+ peaks in the world in general and in SOTA in particular… presumably only Alaska has any in the database right now. Hypoxic Goat award, anyone?