First Activation Bonus: why not?

To make it clear the uneven / unequitable effect of this bonus point proposal

  • I’m currently working towards MG#3 by the end of the year.

  • If there had been a 1st activation 3 point bonus I’d be well beyond MG#4 now.

That does not seem fair for me or for those who come later.

And anyway - I’d rather get there by climbing some more hills!

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Golly!

I won’t bother asking “why?”, one man’s useless information is another man’s goldmine. Instead I suggest that you use the contact the MT feature on the website and describe what you want to one of the database acolytes, who will know whether they can devise the tool that you need without spending so long on the project that other DB work would be compromised. Its well above my pay grade! :grinning:

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Well put!

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And if you do ten of those, you get another badge.

It’s not all about points. Badges are fun to collect. I got one today.

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I’d like to get this badge too. There are two summits in Australia that are below 200m, coincidently both are186 m ASL. The closest one is 385 km drive so it will have to be part of a weekend or longer road trip. The other one is 3358 km drive across three states. I doubt I’ll ever get the pair :slight_smile:

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And for 25. But apparently nothing above that. Badges seem to get pretty sparse after the first year or so.


Maybe I’ll get a badge for 500 first activations? 159 to go to find out!

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The point distribution system itself has been discussed countless times, and I’m not sure you can talk about equity for a small bonus, available once in a life, when at the same time, being a ham today in DM/ BM or such, allow you to just chain 10 point summits like eating candy, while in other parts of the world, they would barely be 1 pointer.

As for a bonus for the first activation, I would say yes and no. Yes, because if a summit has not been activated yet, it probably is not easy. And no, because it could encourage people to take unnecessary risks.

Maybe a small bonus, like double points, could be a nice motivation, but not enough to promote reckless behavior. That said, I also think that being the first is already a reward in itself.

A big problem with any kind of “first” award is that an earlier activation can be uploaded later.

Are “badges” revoked if this happens?

Martyn M1MAJ

People get to them quicker than I can add them :grinning_face:

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FA badges are recalculated every time you upload via SD, essentially a revoke and reaward

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I totally agree. I started in SOTA in 2006 and at that time there were plenty of summits in Scotland that were unactivated. I’ve bagged a few “first activated” in my time and the database records that fact. That, along with my memories is entirely sufficient. I certainly would not have wanted to have earned any points for being the first.

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Ditto. I started much later than you, but managed to enjoy getting a few of the remaining GM summits. Just happy for the memories and personal satisfaction.

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Next upload you should get 50, 75, 100, 125 and 150!

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I’m not sure there’s a particular skill or achievement in being a first activation other than a bit of cudos. I got two in Scotland, both 1 pointers and they were easy but out of the way up country roads followed by a walk. Hardly a big deal.

Perhaps we should get extra for only using CW :grin: or VHF/UHF or activations using skis - or a horse (which has been done) or a bike :roll_eyes: Or perhaps by ascending a summit by a recognised climbing route such as the Ledge route on Ben Nevis etc :+1:

Ledge Route is too easy to warrent a bonus! It would have to be at least Tower Ridge starting by the Direct Route on the Douglas Boulder. :wink:

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Echo Wall for a 1point bonus.

Maybe 2 if onsight.

Damn - never mind the points - I’d be waiting at the top with a pint of heavy!

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