Experimental UK summit weather app

Thanks for the feedback Fraser.
Hopefully I have made it clear enough it’s an experiment and shouldn’t be relied upon.


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Yeah, I know that. However, the general approach in the UK is that individuals are responsible for their own safety in the mountains, and that this is achieved through planning, fitness and carrying the appropriate equipment, clothing, food etc… This view is supported by MRT’s, who wouldn’t criticise a fit and well prepared mountain climber who chose to go out in less than ideal conditions.

My view - an individual uses your excellent tool and then makes a decision based on fitness, time of year and the gear they own.

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I’m less concerned about the washing (which is now on two heated clothes racks) than my using a 2m Yagi on a 4m pole on a hilltop during or immediately after a hailstorm. That’s a sign that I have convective weather associated with wind shear and severe static charge build-up. Unless it ‘clears up’ quickly, I might have to wait 'til the next backpackers contest.

I think I now get what you are saying. The recommendations were based on BMC guidance etc. I have now removed any reference to equipment so any further feedback welcome

Edit : and any recommendation text etc

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It’s the comparison with a modern smartphone that amazes me:

  • CDC Cyber 205 (1987) 400 to 800 Mflops
  • Apple A17 Pro / Snapdragon 8 (Gen 3) 2000 - 3000 Gflops (2–3 Tflops)

Architecture:

  • CDC Cyber 205 - massive, water-and-Freon cooled mainframe; occupies a large room; consumes 100’s of kW of power
  • Apple A17 Pro - fits in your pocket; tiny battery; a few watts of power

Cheers. I’m hopefully not lecturing, just feel a holistic view is what’s required, as well as tbe drtail.

For the mountain in my example, users would also have to have been weather watching for the past week or more. Lots of fresh wind blown snow on top of old névé, with the ensuing safety and equipment needs that go with it.

The Cairngorms yesterday

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They don’t.

There are proposals to only allow energy efficient dryers which means, in practice, only heat pump models will still be sold. These may be more expensive but pay for themselves in a couple of years.

Seems like a very sensible policy.

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That reminds of Space Corps directive 195 where the EU banned the future sales of vacuum cleaners with motors above a certain power rating. It was done to stop manufacturers using the wattage number as a marketing tool [“Our model is more powerful than the competition’s”] and force them to design more-energy efficient models within the maximum power limit.

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No problem Fraser, its good to have different view points.

Thanks
Paul.

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I have now added a legend that also explains a bit about the data sources.
It opens in a new tab.
Corrected link to updated legend

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Hi Paul,

interesting development, THANKS for sharing your app. As others, I also fed it with German summit codes and it seems to work.

Looking at different models and harmonizing the forecast reminds me a bit of the Kachelmann app and the enseble view. You can choose between all ensemble members…

…or the ensemble avaerage and probability for certain amounts of precipitation:

Anyhow, this seems seems to be much more sophisticated than the table-driven programming for the weather forecasting stone. :wink:

THANKS again and 73 Peter

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My wife still swears by the stone method :joy:

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And, no doubt, she expects you to get by with only one radio!! :person_facepalming:

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Well, she is very impressed with all my £60 bargain radios that I have picked up :joy:

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Have you subscribed to mountain-forecast.com? I was saddened when it went subscription only for more than the current days weather. But it works out at only about £1.50 / month for the whole year, a bargain subscription.

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I did a quick comparison of published figures… heat pump driers (Bosch, cheaper models available* ) cost about £800. Running it compared to my 25 year old “blow warm damp air out into Scotland” tumble drier would save me £100 a year. So it would take 8 years to pay for itself. Except we stopped using our drier because you can dry clothes quite easily. I was concerned indoor drying would result in huge amounts of moisture / condensation in the house, but the ventilation in the new kitchen is so good there’s none I can see. That’s for all last Autumn, Winter and Spring this year. The drier gets used maybe for 30mins every 2 months. Not worth replacing.

* Some cheaper driers do have a well earned reputation for burning down houses, buy with care!

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Ahh yes, to feed my weather obsession I subscribe to mountain weather and also have a subscription to the windy pro app for its ensemble view of nine weather models :joy:

I blame watching the Met office deep dives on YouTube, and how they compare models from other data providers, for me going down this rabbit hole.

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You do start to realise that all weather apps are just a front end, to some or other weather model. With the better apps using multiple models. However much of the source data is available free (for less than 10,000 requests a day) by registering to get an API key.

Our drier is the condensor type, so we even recover distilled water for the orchids! :wink:

How did my manual prediction based on Ventusky weather radar do vs the new app for Hutton Roof today?

I think the app is probably going to be useful for a few people especially if planning a long trip. For my occaisional jaunt up Billinge hill maybe not so useful (to others it might be as its an ideal summit to break up a journey along the M6 - 20 mins from J26 to trig point),

I also wonder how granular it might be. As many will attest, when taking on a trip to Wales, you can have clear blue skies all day at Tremadog wheras Llanberris is a washout,.

Will watch the development with interest

Ian