A follow up to Dogging, Wombling and Free batteries

18months back I wrote about how I was collecting discarded disposable vapes (electronic cigarettes) and recovering the perfectly serviceable rechargable LiPo cells they contained.

Well so far I’ve collected 72 working cells. There have been many damaged or distorted cells which have gone into battery recycling bins.

Some of the unused cells awaiting a new “forever” home.

Early on I made two tiny packs to power my QCX radios. I have a small box that contains headphones, batteries, 2x QCX transceivers, ATU, SWR meter. This go-box is ready to grab, all I need is to pick up a paddle and antenna.

3S2P 1100mAh LiPo pack. Gives about 4-5hr QCX operation time. It uses 6 x 13400 cells which are 550mAh each.

I found some whoppers, 20400 1500mAh cells and made a 3S1P 1500mAh pack which would power a QCX for maybe 6-7hr. (AA cell for scale) The red item is a 3S LiPo/LiIon BMS. The JST connector on the packs is used for charge/discharge. Connect it to the JST on the BMS and 12V is on the coax power plug with undervoltage, overvoltage and short circuit protection.

But what to do with all the other cells? Well I could just drop them into a recycling bin but there’s no point dismantling the vapes if I want to do that. I did make an power pack for Mrs. FMF Roberts Revival radio. She has a summer house in the garden without mains power. I wasn’t buying disposable batteries so she now has a 2S2P 1100mAh pack in her radio. It’s been used several hours a week since May and the cell don’t need charging yet. So that’s one use.

I can be a bit pessimistic and I’m always worried I’ll do some big walk and then run out of battery power because I forgot to charge the battery after the previous walk. I have had the battery pack fail on a few activations. If it was just on my training hill Scald Law (35min drive 45min walk) then it’s not the end of the world but it is on big walks. Agains It’s not an issue should it happen when I have the 705 out as it has an internal battery. I have one for my KX2 but I can’t be bothered dismantling the radio to charge it so I don’t use it and my Sporran is welded shut so no internally charging option.

So for a long time (both in 817 days) and now with the KX2, I carry a second battery. Something with enough “oomph” to let me complete an activation. Though being LiPo cells, the voltage drops off more than LiFePo and so I only get 8W on 12/10m but who is going to notice. It’s just heavier and more than needed as a backup.

With a big walk coming up I wanted to minimise a lot of the excess weight. So having plenty of small ex-vape cells I came up with a super lightweight emergency power pack.

The first version is a 3S2P 1000mAh pack using 13350 LiPo cells. The cells are wrapped in Kapton tape for insulation (it’s thin and preferred for this purpose over PVC tape). There’s a balance connector for charging and a captive 2.1x5.5 coax power connectot. The whole item is wrapped in heat shrink.

That is probably good enough for upto 90mins on the KX2 at 5W output. More than enough for 4 QSOs. The only problem is I just don’t like these kind of cells not being in some kind of container. I don’t want them to get punctured or crushed. So whilst this works and does what it says on the tin, the lack of a tin or case makes me want to box it up.

That’s when I remembered Rick M5RJC’s post about his ex-vape packs for his 817 and his 3d-printed box.

I contacted Rick and asked if he would print something for 6x 13350 cells and posted it up. Tell me how much and I’d send him the money. And so it came to pass that 2 perfect 13350 cases arrived in the post. With snug lids and a wiring channel. Absolutely perfect.

I’ve built one up and soldered the cells together. I used some strips of copper foil about 2mm x 25mm x 0.1mm as there is not that much room for wire and that will have no problem with the 2A or so current flow. There’s a 4pin JST XH connector for charging and a 2.1x5.5mm power connector. Whilst the PLA material used is not as tough as Kevlar or carbon fibre, it’s going to offer just that bit more protection that heat shrink.

Here’s the finished item. It weighs about 1/2 the weight of the 18650 pack, about a 100g saving. it’s 115mm x 38mm x 16mm approx. so small enough to fit anywhere in my bag.

Now 100g is hardly anything. But a few more 100g savings here and there and that’s a lot more chocolate I can carry. So well worthwhile!

Many thanks to Rick for printing this for me. Now if only the rain would stop I could go out and test it in the field.

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Hi Andy,
This is an impressive action in using what would otherwise have gone to the rubbish tips. As the early electric car batteries will soon be heading towards the landfill for one or two failed cells, I wonder if we will see some start-up companies repairing to make re-usable packs reducing this major pollution problem of used chemicals in the battery packs.
Interestingly the last “Ham Radio Workbench” podcast discussed how to pick the good Vape batteries from the worn-out ones and the factor to check is the internal resistance. One of the panel members has created a test unit that applies different loads and checks the internal resistance indicating by green, yellow and red LEDs what state the cell is in.

73 Ed.

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I was in the Glenshee car park last week after coming back from GM/CS-030, and saw what I presumed was a vape thing on the floor. I opened it up and out popped a little stubby lipo. I thought of you Andy, and your wombling. :hedgehog: Likely I would’ve ignored it if it weren’t for your previous post.

However, I also face the same question of “what am I going to do with this?” I couldn’t just throw it back on the ground and just brought it home. I suppose I could recycle it and that would be better than its previous fate.

I do like all your battery packs…guess I need to find some more…

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Andy, your scavenging of LiPo cells from discarded domestic products reminds me of David Hahn, nicknamed “Radioactive Boy Scout”, an American teenager, who in the mid 90’s built a homemade neutron source in his mother’s backyard shed [Wikipedia quote] ‘by collecting small amounts from household products, such as Americium from smoke detectors, thorium from camping lantern mantles, radium from old clocks he had obtained from an antique store, and tritium from gunsights’.

Federal agencies declared his mother’s property a hazardous materials clean-up site not before his mother unwittingly dumped most of the stuff not already in his ‘nuclear pile’ in the conventional garbage.

You might get to be known locally as ‘electric man’.

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I need to do some repairs on the emergency pack as one of the cells is leaking after charging up. Annoying but probably 45 mins faffing with the soldering iron. That’s one of the issues using these things as you have no knowledge how they were treated.

Still, being an old school engineer and not into this agile stuff that is why I gave it some shack testing first rather than just deploy it and see if it broke in situ!

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More likely the dogging man. And it doesn’t have the meaning Andy FMF thinks it does.

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At your favourite local supermarket.

The disposable vapes will be banned from next year. April 1st.

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What are they like to smoke?

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I really need to start using my reading glasses more and stop relying on auto-correct.

They should ban them too.
:disguised_face:

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First thing I turn off on a new phone as I get fed up correcting its corrections.

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I’ve already seen the “get-around-the-new-law” version.

It has two cartridge slots in the base, one for the chemical gunk and another for a 550mA LiPo, there is also a USB charging socket

I found one in my local vape recycling bin, the user obviously couldn’t be bothered to recharge it

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That is already very much a thing Ed. These are too valuable to dump so there is a good business model for repair and recycle. So for instance look on Ebay and you will find many cells broken down from early EVs such as Nissan Leaf. People are using these to fix packs from said early EVs or to build home storage systems. For those needing a repair in the UK there is an alliance of independent garages able to do EV work called HEVRA.

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It’s the start of the slippery slope. First it’s reading glasses now and then. Then it’s more and more that you need them. So you buy a load of cheap pairs and leave them in the shack, lounge, cars and walking bag. Then you can’t read at all without them and you invest in varifocals. Then your distance visions starts going.
It’s all OK because you can get cheap glasses that work fine. Until the requirements in left and right eyes start to diverge :frowning: Then everything becomes prescription based.

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Valuable or not, apparently the EU passed a sustainability law last year to ensure that batteries are collected, reused and recycled “to a high degree” in Europe.

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… so you buy two cheapo pairs of the same style, one for each eye, and pop and swap lenses to give you one pair with the correct(-ish) lenses. Does leave you with a pair with everything wrong, though.

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Been wearing and buying glasses since I was a teenager, mostly darned expensive ones as I now need varifocals. My new strategy is to get NHS eye tests and send my prescription to goggles4u - they can do a lovely pair of varifocals for ~ £60

Rick

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To test individual lithium batteries, I charge to full and then briefly touch the terminals to a 12- volt auto headlight bulb. If it glows for a few seconds without dimming, that cell is good.

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…and then the 10m contour lines disappear on 1:25000 maps…

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Thanks for starting this thread @MM0FMF. I’ve been wombling and battery packs growing in size for the KX2, 857 and now the FX-4CR

I am now using a BMS and a balancing board for each pack, so no need worry about the balance lead.

And moved on from all Tabacco product with a Tabacco tin to 3D printed enclosures.

These little batteries are really good !!! Reliable and packed with power!

My 3s3p 4.9Ah lasts forever, bit of an overkill in hindsight - unless you crack open the power on the 857

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Further update, I measured the capacity of the bigger Lipos I scavenged and put together into a pack. The pack is a 3s3p with the 23350 cells which were scavenged from the bigger ‘IVG 2400’ disposable vapes. Absolute travesty that these are disposable with marketing how long they last… because that have EXCELLENT batteries in them…

Added a printed case, a BMS and a cell balancing circuit for a few pence.

Did a test today and rather amazed: From 12.6V to 9V BMS cutoff (4.2V to 3V discharge a cell). was 5.3aH (70 Wh) as a result.

These really are excellent batteries and pack loads of power…

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