Table format test - SOTA DB bad summit positions

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Testing of Reflector table formatting with bad SOTA DB summit lat/long positions, as compared with a standard online mapping site BayernAtlas (from the Bavarian State Ministry for Finance and Homeland):

Summit Code Summit Name SOTA Database Bayern-Atlas Comments
Latitude Longitude Latitude Longitude
DL/BE-076 Schindelberg 47.578899 11.5203 47.57817 11.52206 SOTA position ~150 meters WNW of true position
DL/BE-083 Spitzberg 47.572201 11.4592 47.57142 11.45812 SOTA position ~120 meters ENE of true position
DL/BE-048 Risser Hochkopf 47.563599 11.4211 47.56294 11.42022 SOTA position ~110 meters NE of true position
DL/BE-066 Mitterberg 47.564400 11.3997 47.56290 11.40005 SOTA position ~105 meters NNW of true position
DL/BE-092 Niederskopf 47.576698 11.5033 47.57693 11.50328 SOTA position ~50 meters S of true position
DL/BE-022 Hoher Zwiesler 47.601700 11.5408 47.60070 11.53999 SOTA position ~125 meters NW of true position
DL/BE-028 Brandkopf 47.613300 11.5239 47.61255 11.52324 SOTA position ~85 meters NW of true position
DL/BE-064 Lettnerberg 47.621399 11.5425 47.62011 11.54188 SOTA position ~165 meters NW of true position
DL/BE-044 Hahnberg 47.634201 11.4919 47.63346 11.49081 SOTA position ~120 meters NW of true position
DL/BE-063 Latschenkopf (2) 47.631901 11.4647 47.63105 11.46388 SOTA position ~110 meters NNE of true position
DL/BE-050 Jochberg 47.626701 11.3725 47.62596 11.37184 SOTA position ~110 meters NNE of true position
DL/BE-019 Hirschhoernlkopf 47.627800 11.4069 47.62750 11.40629 SOTA position ~55 meters ENE of true position
DL/BE-013 Latschenkopf (1) 47.656399 11.4986 47.65652 11.49891 SOTA position ~45 meters SW of true position
DL/BE-015 Achselköpfe 47.653301 11.4856 47.65296 11.48652 SOTA position ~55 meters WNW of true position
DL/BE-016 Benediktenwand 47.653099 11.4653 47.65316 11.46560 SOTA position ~20 meters WSW of true position
DL/BE-017 Glaswand 47.653900 11.4375 47.65287 11.43649 SOTA position ~135 meters NE of true position
DL/BE-018 Rabenkopf 47.651100 11.4133 47.65040 11.41220 SOTA position ~125 meters NE of true position
DL/BE-049 Hochtannenkopf 47.701401 11.4967 47.70070 11.49566 SOTA position ~100 meters ENE of true position
DL/BE-032 Buchenauer Kopf 47.693100 11.4669 47.69314 11.46680 SOTA position ~20 meters SW of true position
DL/BE-003 Zwieselberg 47.724701 11.4894 47.72357 11.48842 SOTA position ~145 meters NE of true position
DL/BE-091 Zwoelferkoepfl 47.583900 11.4297 47.58411 11.43170 SOTA position ~145 meters WSW of true position
DL/BE-020 Altlacher Hochkopf 47.555302 11.3581 47.55441 11.35707 SOTA position ~145 meters NE of true position
DL/BE-073 Rotwand 47.599998 11.5033 47.599300 11.5081 SOTA position ~370 meters WNW of true position
DL/MF-105 Leonhardstein 47.638100 11.7156 47.63697 11.71605 SOTA position ~120 meters N of true position
DL/MF-025 Setzberg 47.651699 11.7833 47.65124 11.78456 SOTA position ~110 meters WNW of true position
DL/MF-057 Hochmiesing 47.657799 11.9397 47.65785 11.94130 SOTA position ~130 meters W of true position
DL/MF-056 Auerspitz 47.643600 11.9447 47.64386 11.94530 SOTA position ~50 meters WSW of true position

The table formatting seems to work quite well…

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Hallo Gerd @DF9TS, könntest du dir diese Liste mit schlechten Gipfelpositionen anschauen?

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I should warn you before you invest too much effort that I’ve been doing my own review. I’ll try to get this finished off soon. I’ll have revised positions, likewise according to Bayern Atlas, and a complete set of prominence data.

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Thanks for the ominous “warning” Simon, but you really shouldn’t worry yourself too much on that score. I had identified these bad positions in June of last year and had sent them by email to a couple of people, and you yourself received a slightly shorter version of this list at that time (June 18 2022) by email.

I left it at that, thinking the information might filter down gradually to whomever was responsible for making any changes, but after this much time, I could see that nothing had yet been done to make any changes to these summits’ positions. Hence my posting the list here in the Reflector to see if that might speed up the process - how very presumptuous of me.

Sorry to have over-stepped the mark: I consider myself to be suitably warned and castigated by my betters, and will hesitate in future before acting on any rash impulse to second-guess the very admirable work performed by the MT in keeping their data up to date.

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It was only meant as a warning in the sense of saving you some effort. I’ve taken Bayern Atlas positions for all DL summits but the work to transcribe these back into the system awaits finding an opportunity between other work. I’ll try to raise this in priority. Thank you for the nudge.

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Thanks for being so considerate. The issue is not really one of great importance, since many activists are pretty sensible people, being able to spot when their GPS system leads them to some point which is obviously not at the top of a hill.

The trouble is that many of the lower SOTA summits around here are covered in dense forest, with the last few hundred meters - up to a kilometer or so - often without any paths, such that spotting the highest ground is often difficult, and navigating solely via GPS or dead reckoning to a point which is not the true summit might lead to activations which are not truly valid (as, I suspect, may be the case with the Rotwand DL/BE-073 where the present SOTA DB position leads people close to a popular lookout over 1/3 kilometer away from, and 60 meters below, the true summit). Worse, it might lead some into places where the ground suddenly drops away beneath their feet. But I’m sure you’re already well aware of these issues.

I look forward to seeing the results of your work in the DL/BE and DL/MF regions which are the closest to home for me.