SOTLAS error - also new maps style and improvements

I assume it’s a ranking of “importantness” or “size” of some sorts. Not sure where the data comes from.

I guess that would have to be created manually. There is a component that tries to automate this based on the layers in the stylesheet, but it’s more geared towards toggling layers and looks quite technical and probably confusing to the end user (@watergis/maplibre-gl-legend - npm).

If anybody has experience with MapBox/MapLibre (especially stylesheets) and wants to help with map styling and associated tasks, let me know.

And now I’ll go spend some time on other things than maps :wink:

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:pray: thanks for all the work. Enjoy the day!

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Is it possible to show road numbers on the map?
For example
https://sotl.as/summits/GW/MW-027

As you zoom in / view the map using Map Tiler/OSM the road number do not show?

Thanks John

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Hi Manuel,

Any news from the Maptiler support regarding the T1-T6 ratings of OE hiking trails?

73 Joe

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MapTiler support responded saying that they will pass it to their data team to look at. Looks like nothing has happened yet.

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Loving seeing the AZ on a map. I contemplated building an shp data file with polygonal data for England and Wales. Still on the table at mo.

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I took a bit of time looking at the Openstreetmap data - which I guess is also the basis for MapTiler. And I could not find any differences between OE and HB9 regarding the path metadata.

The important TAG sac_scale is set (in combination with ‘highway’ = path )

So big ? why it is not working…
But I guess we have to wait for the big company to have a look at small OE :upside_down_face:

This is no push for you Manuel in any way. Just sharing what I looked at.

73 Joe

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My guess is that MapTiler merged OSM hiking trail data with some other (national?) data source for OE, and in the process, the sac_scale tags from OSM got lost.

73, Manuel HB9DQM

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Thanks Manuel (and I guess Andrew for making them available) for adding the “summit tags” to sotl.as

Great to see when great things get even better :star_struck:

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Hi Manuel, first thanks again for the superb resource that is SOTLAS. I noticed a possible bug checking the link to GI/AH-010. It opens the page from the Database, but when I clicked the link to the access report, I could not read the actual content of the report; it just shows the heading. The link does work correctly when accessing the summit information direct through the Database. I’m using an iPad on the latest software if that makes a difference.

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It looks like the wrong URL gets served via SOTL.as

E.g. for OE/OO-449

Correct URL at SOTAdata:

> https://www.sotadata.org.uk/en/summits/article/33200/view

sotl.as links to

> https://summits.sota.org.uk/article/38785/view

which redirects to

> https://www.sotadata.org.uk/en/summits/article/38785/view

So the ID Number in the URL is wrong.
My guess is that @VK3ARR is working on the database and the IDs of the articles changed?

My mountaingoat senses expect a reveal of a new version of some SOTA services :crossed_fingers:

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Yes, this is the case. However, it should be transparent, unless Manuel is caching the article IDs somewhere (possible).

I’d better get a warning note out sometime today about it all.

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I’ve worked out what’s going on on the SOTL.as side and put in a workaround that will mean Manuel doesn’t need to freak out rapidly to fix.

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Sorry to bring it up again.
Only because someone in the OE SOTA Signal group was asking why it does not work in OE…
I guess no news from Maptiler in that regard?

73 Joe

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No news yet – I’ve just asked again.

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Just got an update from MapTiler support:

Not yet. It is now part of the Outdoor Activities initiative that will overhaul our outdoor dataset completely, adding an array of new data.

Looking at its status, it seems to be either part of Q4 or Q1 next year.

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1,5 years later still the same situation. Not sure why OE is different with Maptiler… :grimacing:

All other alpine countries work fine with T ratings :thinking:

Found that info:

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Sorry Manuel to be annoying again but did the MapTiler folks have any news? OE is still the only (one of the) country without SAC marked tracks.
Any chance to get this fix/working anytime (soon)?

EDIT: I did some further investigations. I tried to find differences on the view routes that were shown correctly versus the non- SAC/Hiking difficulty coloured one. No success.

But I found this demo page of MapTiler showing the outdoor mapstyle showing the SAC coloured path. So it must work also for Austria.
https://www.maptiler.com/maps/#style=outdoor-v4&lang=auto&mode=2d&position=13.66/47.71222/14.06992


Screenshot taken from above link

Thanks a lot for all your work!
73 Joe

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It is still the same issue as two years ago. The “scale” field is missing on trails in Austria. The colors that you see on their demo page follow some arbitrary mapping determined by MapTiler (i.e. there is a “color” field with values like “red” etc., but that does not correspond directly to the sac_scale value), so it is not useful for our purposes when we want to determine whether a trail is T1…T6.

I have created a new ticket with MapTiler support. Let’s see what happens…


I was looking at that and in Austria not the Hiking trails have the rating but the individual segments.

So the “path” elements in OpenStreetMap have them. With makes sense as e.g. The Zentralalpenweg with hundrets of kilometers can not have one single rating.

I have an example were the SAC rating is working on SOTL.as

The path marked with the red arrow also has a SAC rating (like the one working approaching from the north-west to the Eibenberg) in the hiking trail (on OSM) but is not colour coded). So something is not consistent. :expressionless_face:


So as you said the scale is not imported correctly. Other maps providers (e.g. OpenAndroidmaps) manage to get the “Hiking Difficulty” as it is called now in OSM correctly.

But thanks for following in up again Manuel! :folded_hands:
73 Joe

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