QRV in woods or outside - a difference?

Operating from the woods versus out in the open—is there a difference?
As a notorious “tree-hanger,” I use a tree as a mast 99% of the time for my 20-meter-long EFHW, configured as an inverted V.
Now, there is a comprehensive study on this very subject—conducted over the course of a year using two antennas, both inside and outside the forest. The experiment involved transmitting to WSPRnet, alternating between the two locations every two minutes on the same frequency.
Brief raw Summary:

< 5000 km skip — No difference
5000 - 10000 km skip — 90% success rate in the wood

13000 km (DL - VK) 10% success rate when in the wood*)

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Source CQDL 6-2026, page50-52, DK3TG “Statische WSPR-Messung mit parallelen Beacons”

73, Chris

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73 Chris

I can’t back this up with actual measurements, but I also have the impression that trees can provide shielding.

However, in my experience, there are differences involved. While conifers seem to offer hardly any attenuation, the situation looks quite different under a dense deciduous forest—for instance, one filled with lush linden or beech trees. In such settings, I do perceive a noticeable attenuation.

If the trees stand in scattered groups, and you maintain some distance when setting up your antenna, performance improves again.

73 Armin

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I don’t understand, 90% and 10% of what ? of the the contacts outside the forest ?

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The difference might be more noticeable on 2m!

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I’m trying to think of any summits I have activated which has a tree. Only one comes to mind G/LD-052 and they are more like bushes. There can’t be many in the UK.

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Few. Knock of Crieff GM/SS-264 is one.

This is what the entrance looked like in 2012 when I did it.

Here’s the cairn. I did it from here with a 20m vertical. I worked 21 stations on CW with ODX being Ukraine.

Andy MM7MOX has posted a picture of the summit now on SOTL.as at SOTLAS

Here is an example:

The signal transmitted within the forest was received twice during the same period (Wood) and 13 times outside the forest.

Rate = 2/13 (approximately 10%)

I hope its not a secret but the US-army published a very detailed study about behavior of wire antennas in forests.

73!

Peter DL3NAA

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