Trouble about the sub thread (12M Challenge 2014) is that it distracts from the primary thread. Should it not be under the 2015 Challenge place?
Mike
Barry,
Pro memoria: The 12m Challenge award for my 2nd place activator wordlwide ranking is still pending. May be it will handed over by the Easter bunny?
73, Heinz HB9BCB
I produced a certificate for you for first place HB9 I donât recall you ordering one for your worldwide placing - I am not a mind reader
Edit: It apprears I do not read my emails either - Sorry Heinz
I totally agree with you Mike. This particular discussion has no place in this thread
73
Barry
Barry,
No need to be a mind reader. My comment was sent by email.
Oh good, that means as the only GI activator and leading GI chaser I can now apply for my certificates, is that correct?
73
Victor GI4ONL
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Huh? Why wouldnât you be able to Victor???
Nearly Victor, your score had to be in the top 25 worldwide. That was to minimise the number of certificates to a managable number and also to set a level of participation/involvement.It could have been top 10 or top 30. Awarding certificates for being top in an association where you only got 1 pt for example is just a bit far fetched.
But discussions about 12m scoring doesnât really belong in a discussion about what will be happening to associations that for whatever reason do not meet the requirements for a valid association.
This was all clear at the start of the contest Andy?
My score âwasâ in the top 25 worldwide.
For completeness Iâll respond in the wrong thread one more time but really this is thread should be about applying rules equally to associations. If you really want to engage further about 12m then please start another thread.
No. Originally there would be 2 certificates, 1 for top activator and 1 for top chaser. The level of engagement was beyond our expectations and we decided to extend the number of certificates. So if we had kept things as is we would have awarded 2 certificates. Instead we decided we would award up to 50.
You had to be 1st or 2nd in your association and in the top 25. You were 3rd in G so you didnât earn a certificate even though you were 11th worldwide. Victor GI4ONL was 1st in GI but 159th worldwide and he didnât earn a certificate either.
Dear Barry,
First of all, I do not think anyone can doubt the work and the effort made by the group of volunteers who make up the MT. I donât think also that anyone can believe that all the SOTA infrastructure and facilities came from the will of the gods and mantained by the magic of spirits. I am the first who want to thank you for all these.
But, (not a bad âbutâ) making a step back, perhaps we all would make some exercise of empathy, and make some points:
I am happy to see so much controversy here, as IMO it shows how much interested is the people in SOTA. I would like to compare the activity on this forum with other awards ones.
I guess all of us recognize the value of the scheme itself, and the big work and many hours spent by the MT people ( I would want to remember that the MT is not something like Medusaâs head or Eastern statues)
The complains made here are not (IMO again) against the whole SOTA scheme or its management, but about some respects, more or less significant, or the way sometimes the things are done.
You, our colleagues of the MT would also understand that somethings which would not seem so important generally speaking, could affect significantly on other places. We are certainly not members of the SOTA club, but you might recognize also the value and importance of people activating, chasing, setting up summits catalogs all around the world for the success of the programme,
So, I would ask kindly to the people here some things,
Please, donât forget that, even wrong under your point of view, there is a lot of work after SOTA award running. None is doing that work just to attack, hurt or offend anybody else. There will be mistakes for sure, but donât guess bad will.
Please, even not being a democracy, pay attention to others claims/complains/suggestions. Some of them could be just mad, or out of point, but not generally.
I think It would be a good policy to be as clear and open as possible. This should make things better known and understood. The borders could be there, but you must paint the lines for everybody to know. This is not that kind of organization where the âneed to knowâ would be applied (always in my opinion).
After these last months, I think that some people taking part on the developement of the programme have had news about some -letâs say âsecond level rulesâ- not known before, which should be known to avoid later complains as they affect to associations, AM/RMs and participants.
I would be happier knowing before doing anything, f.i., which was the criteria of SD to P100 or P150, the must of having the summits catalogs checked before any change to be allowed, how and when an association can update its data, ARMs and so.
I donât want to say that these âs.l.r.â are wrong, right, or anything, and I can also image that having any decission questioned could be hard, but SOTA should not be ruled (remember, stepping back again, that this is important, but its already a hobby) under secrecy or the âneed to knowâ rules.
SOTA phenomenon has spread around the whole world, and even ruled by the MT, might be seen as a work of all, and for the joy of all, by everyone involved. So, please, take out the empathy out of the box, and letâs use it.
Thank you all for make SOTA possible, and excuse me by my poor english writing.
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NOT when the Challenge started.
The MT re-wrote the rules AFTER it was over. You did nothing more than turn the challenge into a postcode lottery.
You would not have qualified under the initial rules or the amended rules - what is the problem?
Having glanced over this topic without looking at it in great depth I have a couple of questions.
Why has this become an issue as surely it was passed by the MT as ok when they applied many moons ago by the looks of things. I know how much was involved in getting VK6 approved and I would be pretty annoyed if down the track I was told only 50%-60% of our summits that were given the ok were not allowed anymore.
Have the goalposts been moved, surely if it was given the ok then it should be allowed to continue. If the rules have changed then they should change for new Associations from a certain date and all earlier approved associations remain as they were as they must have been approved at some point.
Really hope you guys get to keep your summits as its never good to take away what was once ok.
Just my view and I wonât comment any further.
73 John VK6NU
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After finishing 11th in the world!!!
Thanks Barry, I couldnât have put it any better myself.
The rules of the Challenge were never changed Mike.
After the end of the Challenge, we looked at the popularity and participation, and after twisting Barryâs arm up his back, decided to award more than just the two certificates for world leading chaser and world leading activator.
Instead, certificates were available for the world top ten leading activators and chasers, plus any association winners that were also inside the world top 25.
Although we considered that to be reasonable at the time, ie we were offering effectively 34 certificates instead of 2, and certainly nobody lost out (and rules were NOT rewritten), we have considered some of the response to set out the policy for the next challenge. In the forthcoming 6m/10m Challenge, everyone will be able to purchase a certificate displaying their world and association placing.
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Hello Andy, your request to move to another thread about the Challenge(s) seems to have failed. Thread hijack seems to be in full progress 8-(
Mike
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NOW LET THAT BE AN END OF IT.
Any further references to the hi-jack topic will be deleted.
Any further ad hominum attacks will be deleted and a warning issued for not posting in accordance with the AUP. This is fair warning. Keep it civil, keep to the point.
Brian (wearing his moderator hat - today the one with the spike on top!)
To be precise Brian, I think itâs spelt ad hominem 