In reply to G8ADD:
You allowed a comment about the quote from a member of the MT about me to be posted for all to see and possibly belive and then took away my right to defend myself with a reply.
That is double standards in anyones book .
In reply to G3NYY:
We have discussed this before, Tom. There is nothing to be gained from pursuing the matter further. I did both the Full RAE and The Morse test when I was 15 years old and studying for my O Levels.
I know that, because as you say we’ve discussed it before, although possibly before Jimmy got the full licence last year.
Does the fact that you did all yours at 15 while studying for your O Levels mean that this is the right way and everyone should do it that way? Jimmy’s way was FL at 12, IL at 19 and Full at 20. My way was RAE at 30. Is there a wrong way and a right way?
I was simpy debating the point you made that people who don’t progress in the hobby within a certain timeframe are either insufficiently interested or insufficiently intelligent. This is plainly untrue, and is an unhealthy way to view our fellow radio amateurs.
Tom M1EYP
In reply to G0TRB:
Roger, I am trying to keep this thread civilised. As I told you above, you may repost using less inflammatory language and the post will not be touched.
With regard to the post that you objected to, I left it because it was clearly intended as a joke without malicious intent. Since you have taken exception to it I will remove it.
We are close enough to each other for me to be able to hear you on ground wave on the HF bands, probably you can hear me, too, although I often only operate with five watts. I can testify to all and sundry that there is absolutely nothing wrong with your operating capability. I can also tell you that your operating ability has never come under discussion by the MT. With those statements I consider that the matter is closed. The topic remains open - for now.
73
Brian G8ADD
In reply to M1EYP:
I was simpy debating the point you made that people who don’t progress
in the hobby within a certain timeframe are either insufficiently
interested or insufficiently intelligent. This is plainly untrue, and
is an unhealthy way to view our fellow radio amateurs.
I regard Foundation and Intermediate licensees as apprentices in amateur radio.
I was merely making the point that one is not expected to remain an apprentice for ever.
In fact it is not the 8-year-olds or even the 15-year-olds who seem to be unwilling or unable to progress. It is the over-fifties!
Brian has suggested that there might be a case for Full Licensees being required to undertake a re-test periodically. In fact, that might not be a bad idea … and it could usefully be applied to drivers too!
73,
Walt (G3NYY)
In reply to G3NYY:
Brian has suggested that the might be a case for Full Licensees being
required to undertake a re-test periodically. In fact, that might not
be a bad idea … and it could usefully be applied to drivers too!
…does that mean that I will have to learn about transistors?
Is it my imagination, or does the autumn clock change always trigger some heated, often aggressive, argument over trivia? Perhaps it’s a form of jet lag causing people to behave in this manner. It is certainly unbecoming.
I’m sure I recall some expulsions over the years which can be traced back to similar accusations of restricting free speech, the right of reply, etc. Eventually, unless calming advice is taken, there is a danger of history repeating itself.
73 de Les, G3VQO
In reply to G3CWI:
…does that mean that I will have to learn about transistors?
No, Rich. It means you will have to learn about valves, as you are not a “real” G3 !
73,
Walt (G3NYY)
In reply to G3CWI:
…does that mean that I will have to learn about transistors?
They’ll never catch on Richard. I wouldn’t waste your time.
Andy
MM0FMF
In reply to G3NYY:
In reply to G3CWI:
…does that mean that I will have to learn about transistors?
No, Rich. It means you will have to learn about valves, as you are
not a “real” G3 !
73,
Walt (G3NYY)
First things first! He’ll have to learn about coherers and spark first!
73
Brian G8ADD
In reply to G8ADD:
So firstly did the MT member think it was a joke to make that comment in the first place , Then for others to contine to highlight it .
Then when I tried to reply in your words inflammatory language with the comment does all the MT agree with this comment. It was removed so I see it as being accused of a crime with out defence and MUD STICKS joke or not so yes I have taken exception
In reply to G3NYY:
Brian has suggested that there might be a case for Full Licensees
being required to undertake a re-test periodically. In fact, that
might not be a bad idea … and it could usefully be applied to
drivers too!73,
Walt (G3NYY)
Ooh, naughty boy, Walt! I did no such thing, it was a reductio ad absurdum of your position - are you trying to get me tarred and feathered?
73
Brian G8ADD
In reply to M6BLV:
The difference was you and MM0FMF used my callsign when making your comments and as I have said before people in power should not make them comments for others to use, where as I said there are a few M6 stations using higher than allowed power. my quote:: So it may be time for them or one of the locals who know them to have a word before he recieves a visit
In reply to M6BLV:
In reply to M6BLV:
The problem you have John (think it’s John, you’re last post is nameless) is that a lot of people including me find it hard to accept that someone will invest significant time and money in building a large set of station antennas when they have the most limited of licences and not be tempted to nudge the power. Me, and the people who think like me, would get the unlimited licence first then build a big station. Or be doing both at the same time.
Now I’m not accusing you of breaking any laws / rules. Read that again. And again.
I’m accusing me and others of thinking that you will break the rules when we see a big station. There is a huge difference between the two positions. The problem is that whether you are the most perfectly squeaky clean operator or not, a significant number of people will see a big station an FL call and put 2 and 2 together and get much more than 4. It doesn’t matter what you do or how you operate, you’re going to be up against that viewpoint as long as you have a good signal and an M6 call.
I’m sorry but you cannot win these arguments and they are terribly unfair but you will be looked at with some suspiscion as long as you have not reached the top of the licence tree.
Discrimination and prejudice are real bitches. I can tell you what people say now because they’ve said it to me. “That M6BLV is loud for an M6”. When you get M0BLV (if it’s available) people will say “M0BLV, he always puts out a big signal.” They base their judgement on the signal and the callsign, not just the signal. Sad, but that’s the way it is.
Is it your fault people think like this? No. Is there anything you can do? Yes. You can live with the innuendo or you can upgrade your licence.
As I’ve said, life’s a bitch then you die.
Andy
MM0FMF
In reply to G0TRB:
This debate will run and run, Roger. Go to the HRD site and look no further than the Name and Shame threads. Of course there are a few Mavericks out there who spoil it for everyone. When it come to SOTA, both Dave M3XIE and John M6BLV are usually amongst the first chasers in the log and are a pleasure to work.
73 Mike
2E0YYY
In reply to MM0FMF:
Way back when I was a SWL in the late 1950’s there were people that were rumoured to be running illegal high power, the rumours being based on nothing more than a strong signal (and in one case that I remember, the purchase of an exWD QRO transmitter -for parts - in the Lyle Street of happy memory!) and in those days you got periodical visits from a GPO inspector so breaking the law was distinctly more hazardous than it is now. Of course, in those far-off days there was only one license class, so there was no discrimination against any perceived under-class. Todays kerfuffle is nothing new, people have always put 2 and 2 together and made 22!
The situation is that if you don’t want to upgrade, you don’t have to, and that should be the end of the story. If you can maximise your signal and stay within the law whilst doing it, that should be a matter for pride, and if people claim that you are using illegal high power when you are not, that should be taken as a back-handed compliment!
But there is no excuse for a wide signal!
73
Brian G8ADD
In reply to 2E0YYY:
Go to the HRD site and look no further than the Name and Shame threads.
Sounds interesting Mickey! But I can’t find it - got a link?
Tom M1EYP
In reply to 2E0YYY:
Ah! That explains it, Mike! I thought you meant the OTHER HRD - Ham Radio Deluxe!
73
Brian G8ADD
In reply to G8ADD:
HRD is where ever so many of the users have a callsign starting IQ0… and are proud of the fact!
Andy
MM0FMF
I still can’t find the Name & Shame thread on there Mickey. Where do I look? I got fed up of ploughing through the endless pages of thread titles and there doesn’t seem to be a search facility.
Tom M1EYP