Ah! Venisonburgers, yum!
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To answer your question seriously Richardā¦
Vote? No. But there was a poll sometime back and one of the pieces of info we (SOTA MT) learnt is the people taking part donāt want SOTA to be a contest and they donāt want winners/losers. We could have ignored that but it seemed a large enough input that we did listen and we stopped having anything with a winner.
There will be 10m honour rolls that, once live, will update after each time you submit your logs. So you will be able to check your own score in the challenge. Theyāre sorted by callsign per association because if they were sorted by score then weād be identifying who was winning.
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Hi Andy
Great! OK I will let JA SOTA members know about this challenge. Yesterday I activated JA/YN-033 and made 6 QSOs on 10m band, although 17m 2QSOs and 15m 1QSO, 12m 1QSO. 10m is effectively working under Cycle 25. Thank you for nice event plan in 2024.
Toru JA1CTV
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I think I know the answer, but just for clarity: Do I need 1 QSO on 10 meters or 4 QSOās on 10 meters to qualify as a 10 meter activation?
Gary/KT0A
Scoring for activators:
For every unique summit you activate on 10m you get a multiplier.
For every unique chaser you work you get 1 activator challenge point.
Your final score is activator challenge points * multipliers."
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All the other honour rolls are sorted by score so why is the 10m challenge different?
Yes. One QSO is an activation.
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I donāt really understand that eitherā¦
But wellā¦ as a German, Iām always having one thing or another translated on the wwwā¦ and sometimes I canāt really say whether thatās correct.
I understood the 20 year challenge as a ācompetitionā and thought there was a list that was sorted by points (like the others) ā¦ and the first 20 received a certificate. - I then planned my activations.
Until the end I believed that a score would be published at some point. I had assumed that at some point a final date would be published for entry into the databaseā¦ and then it would be evaluated and publishedā¦ and the best 20 can download a certificate.
Even without any ambition to win, I would have wanted to see my points in comparison and perhaps gain a few places. I can imagine that others feel the same wayā¦ and that this could help increase activations.
I donāt think there are any stubborn fighters hereā¦ and if they are, they should do itā¦ but I think a little bit of sportsmanship is good.
73 Armin
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Yes, for a summit reference to be counted as a multiplier, then at least one of the QSOs in the activation would need to be on 10m.
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REALLY LOOKING forwards to this.
Nice to see and work Sotas on 10m more often of late and brought in a pair of nice ones in for newbies for me from Brazil and South Africa. All being well bring in more during 2024.
Hopefully me in planning, the 3 El spiral type quad beam be in operation as well being another version of the FW quad one has been planning of late.
Best laugh got the 2 el 10m Moxon to play with the the above Sotas wkd, were off the wire HB FW Delta loop for 40m LOL.
2E0FEH
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This was good timing as Iām currently building a moxon for 10m
Thanks to MM0OPX. Iām tweaking it slightly but the basic idea looks good.
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Yes, experience of summits suggests it needs to be stiffer or quite a lot the typical winds will collapse it. Assuming you can deploy it. Thatās OK as unless youāve tried SOTAing, or been to our VHF contest site near the sea, you donāt really appreciate what the wind can do. There again Iām happy to be shown to be wrong and it will stand up well. Not sure about stainless steel wire. Again, someone will know better.
It was all going well till he said āobviously weāve got an SO-239 on the endā and I stopped the video 
I like the way of arranging the centre though, thatās really quite clever.
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So far Iām using different wire, coax, plugs, spacers & mast. Weāll have to see about how wind resistant I can make it. Being restricted to lovely sunny wind-free days isnāt the end of the world though 
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One question, (perhaps I know the answer) if unique activator activated in different area or region, is it countable as different call.
i.e.
JA1CTV activated in JA association and JA8 association using JA1CTV/1 and JA1CTV/8 for each. Is it countable as 2 challenge points?
In same if I activated UK and IOM summits using M0ITP and MD0ITP, will chaser get 2 points?
Just for my better understanding and distribute the rule in JA SOTA members.
Toru K JA1CTV / M0ITP
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A chaser can only get points once per day for the same summit. For example, if there are two operators on the same summit together, chasers only get points for the first QSO. The second QSO should be logged but the Chaser get no points.
But Iām not quite sure what you mean with the M(D)0ITP question. If you are on a summit on the Isle of Man you should be using MD0ITP. However, given the proposal to make Regional Designators optional I suppose you could use your āEnglishā 
callsign but as an activator you still wonāt get any more points.
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Theyāre not the challenge rules though John, they the normal rules and not applicable to the challenge.
As in all challenges, the scoring for the challenge is outwith the normal SOTA scoring. As before you enter all your logs, your Activator/Chaser honour roll scores will update depending what you log. In addition, you have a challenge score which is scored using the rules given higher up this thread.
As for Toruās question, the answer is Iām not sure but will look at what we did last time and let you know the answer.
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Hi, my question is, if I activated at two unique summits in England and IOM in different day, can chaser get 2 x 2 or 2 x 1 (Multiplier x Challenge point) in a year?
Toru K JA1CTV
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I think thatās one for the MT and the ability of the database to work out the different callsigns are the same person.
But does it matter? Just enjoy the activations.
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It will be, for the chasers, a new unique activator callsign so count as a new multiplier.
For activators, the callsign you use wonāt matter because multipliers are unique chaser callsigns.
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Hi Andrew
Thanks, got understand.
Toru K JA1CTV
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As I see it, if any participant achieving some defined threshold score can claim a certificate (or whatever) for doing so, regardless of other participantsā scores, then it isnāt a competition even if participants are listed in order of score. If, however, one participantās ability to claim a certificate is affected by another participantās score (e.g. if only the top scorer could claim, as was the case for the 12 metre Challenge) then itās a competitionā¦ 
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