Well, I saw above that some people keep their own scoring while others think that it is too much work to change the scoring.
We have points for S2S, complete, etc, why not for difficulty?
If you have a low summit ASL-wise with a decent amount of vert then you could still get 10 points regardless of the fact that you have Mont Blanc in your country.
I guess the fundamental question here is what does the MT want to achieve with the current point system within SOTA? Rewarding Difficulty, something else? I may have missed it but I did not see it in the General Rules. It just says that the point system is based on ASL but it does not say what the intention of that point system is.
If it is not trying to reward difficulty then your show, your rules and move on or leave basically.
If it is trying to achieve difficulty then clearly something needs to be changed.
FL/VO-001, Le Grand Ballon de Guebwiller - 1424m, 10 Points
300m from the road 90m of vert
Then you drive 1Km and you have:
FL/VO-078, Le Storkenkopf - 1366m, 10 Points
300m from the road 130m of vert.
You also have summits in the Alps that have similar characteristics:
F/AM-144, Cîme de la Bonette - 2860m, 10 Points
The access road is at 2,800m for about 60m of vert.
We have a point system that is not perfect but works well with clear rules. Now, if we are trying to reward difficulty with the point system and we know that it is not perfect with F/AM-144 for example why make it worse by creating a “L” association that will give 10 points for quasi drive ons?
When you think about the multitude of summits in the Alps that require massive amounts of vert, sometimes multi-day trips and potentially some technical ice and/or rock-climbing skills at high altitude and get 10 points just the same as a freshly minted quasi drive-on in the “L” association then the difficulty scale seems a bit odd don’t you think?
If the points scale is not supposed to represent difficulty then I’ll stay forever quiet and move on.
I know I am “urinating” against the wind on this one. The title of the thread is already condescending “the 2017 edition”, many people benefit from these “L” associations and many people have invested immense amounts of work (a big thanks to them) in the current point system and do not want to see it change. I understand all of them.
Personally I will still go out and enjoy SOTA just the same that I have in the past, discovering new summits, making QSOs, enjoying the outdoors. I will do this and enjoy it regardless of the number of points allocated to the summits.
Doing that though I still point out that we can improve on the current system.
Yes it would be a lot of work.
Yes it would upset a lot of people for various reasons.
The problem I have is that I am seeing these imperfections amplified instead of reduced under the creation of these “L” associations.
If the point system is meant to facilitate activations for activators then let’s move to P10 and give every summit 10 points! (tongue firmly in cheek).
I am over and out. Done banging my head against a brickwall (like others in the past). I will let another torch bearer antagonise the rest of the SOTA community trying to fix a problem in the “2018 edition”.