Winter Bonus Appeal W2

[IU1KGS]

@WA2NWN

The goal of the winter bonus is to incentivize activators to brave the elements

Nope.

[G4TGJ]

@WA2NWN

The goal of the winter bonus is to incentivize activators to brave the elements

No it isn’t.

@General Rules 3.11.1

The seasonal bonus is intended to reflect the fact that for safe travel in the hills during the bonus period, extra safety equipment is necessary plus the skills to use it.

It’s compensation for the difficulty, not to incentivise potentially dangerous expeditions.

@AJ2I

limiting the winter bonus in the W2 region to only 2-point and higher summits?

In many associations the seasonal bonus only applies to summits with more than 2 points. For example, in GI it only applies to 4 point and higher summits. Would a 1 point summit here also have a seasonal bonus in your system?

@AJ2I

When no summit in an entire region (like W2/NJ) can earn a winter bonus, activators are effectively excluded from the program regardless of effort or conditions.

Not having a seasonal bonus doesn’t stop anyone from activating the summit at any time.

[WA2NWN]

[MW0WML]

@G4TGJ

spend several hours on the summit trying different bands, working S2S and some DX. Finding the shortest route from some barely legal parking spot, getting 4 QSOs and then moving on to the next one to maximise activator points

You can be both types of Activator… in fact I am

[WA2NWN]

So wait a minute, giving a bonus to places that are even harder to reach , which encourages even more danger?

[VK3ARR]

I mean, it’s not what he said, but ok, I’ll bite. Rule 3.7.4:

Activators must be competent to undertake their proposed Expedition and must carry suitable
equipment, taking account of the terrain, weather conditions etc

No one who is competent to undertake a proposed expedition is going to do something more dangerous for the sake of a few measly SOTA points.

Anyway, generating random AI images and posting them to this thread like the reflector somehow works like Facebook isn’t the way to resolve this. The way, as highlighted above by several people and by the General Rules, is to work with your Association Manager, who works with the MT to set the bonus. Please read Rule 3.11.1 for more details.

The reason why the reflector won’t work is no one here is going to have any real sympathy for the debate, because regular as clockwork, every year, as people are cooped up in their shacks during Northern Hemisphere winter, someone decides they need something special for their special part of the world and feels that the reflector is the right place to argue their point. And, regular as clockwork, they are surprised at how few people support their special proposal for their special part of the world.

Now, I’m off to stare at my local 8-point and up winter bonus summits and decide which ones I might be competent enough to undertake an expedition to in 6 months time (answer, 1, maybe 2).

[AJ2I]

I’ve read this thread entirely and nobody can answer, what the harm is making the bonus for all summits, what is the harm exactly and the reason?

[G8ADD]

@VK3ARR

No one who is competent to undertake a proposed expedition is going to do something more dangerous for the sake of a few measly SOTA points.

Exactly!

For God’s sake, if the conditions are hazardous stay in the ruddy shack! It sometimes looks as if people do not read the rules of the game! Only an idiot will go out in the wrong conditions just for the sake of a point or two, and if you do not have the skill and experience to recognise dangerous conditions you should only be on the hill in the company of someone who is more experienced. Hiking, rambling, hill walking, mountaineering, rock climbing - its all about managing risk.

IF IT IS TOO NASTY FOR ONE POINT, IT IS TOO NASTY FOR TWO POINTS.

Its as simple as that.

Earlier in this thread I told everyone what the proper procedure is to suggest a change in the rules. I have just checked the MT reflector, and nobody yet has cared enough about this issue to put a proposal to the MT. Guys, I’m sure you are having fun here discussing this, but unless you care enough to take it further then this thread is just idle chat.