Update: Would you like a Top Band 160m contact from St Kilda??

Hi all,

As many of you will know from a previous post, Tim (G5OLD) and I (GW4BML) are hoping to be on St Kilda for one or two days the weekend after next, between the 21st and 23rd of August. We plan to camp on Hirta, home to the SOTA summit Conachair GM/SI-098. Our main goal is to activate Soay and Boreray, but while we’re based on Hirta, it would feel wrong not to attempt a 160m top‑band activation from the summit, assuming permission is granted.

Is this something the SOTA community would be interested in if we’re able to make it happen?

Your thoughts are very welcome.

73, Ben
GW4BML

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Yes this would be a great challenge for my new-ish 250ft doublet antenna :slight_smile:

CW or SSB Ben ? May need to roll out a rx beverage just incase :slight_smile:

Jonathan GW2HFR

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Both buddy - would be great to work you.

73, Ben
GW4BML

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RR ! I’ll add you to Ham Alert ready .

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I’d love a contact with St Kilda, local noise permitting!

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Hi Ben

Long time no speak and no code! I won’t have a top band antenna up for several months but I’m just about to put up a temporary OCFD for 40m and up on an 8m pole. That won’t cut it on 160m!

I can’t see Jonathan @gw2hfr needing a beverage for working the nether regions of the Scottish Isles if he has a full sized doublet for 160m! Having said that, it is summer after all, so I hope you can be QRV on top band well after sunset.

I hope your trip is a success and the weather is safe enough for you to complete it.

73 Phil G4OBK

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Well there’s 2 QSOs people want.

  • A SOTA chase to St.Kilda on topband.
  • An ordinary QSO to St. Kilda on topband.

The latter suggests setting up down by the sea if possible.

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A 2m FM S2S from Rum - St Kilda too??

G5JFJ

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I’m unlikely to make a contact on Top Band from home with an inefficient aerial, and urban noise.

I’d love an S2S to St Kilda, but appart from favourable propagation, it would involve a nocturnal activation, which I can’t guarantee - it would depend on wx and whether I feel up to it on the day.

So, if you judge it to be safe and practical to activate, I’ll see what I can do, but please don’t feel any pressure or expectation from me!

73

Adrian

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Paul’s LOS website says Conachair (GM/SI-098)Ainshval (GM/SI-014) is LOS at 165km. The path loss with say a 3ele beam each end is c. 106dB. So marine ducting aside, it should work with a handful of Watts and a small beam at each end.

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Is the island long enough and are you going at night? :sweat_smile:

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35 years ago there was a metalled road to the summit of Conachair. Could work you on Sat the 22nd. Access is an issue, Herta is a SSSI these days. We “brefrended” the warden, he carried the lead acid batteries! Enjoy.

David

G0EVV

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I’m not carrying all that wire :joy: or trying to find 80m of room :joy::joy:

Hope to work you all

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Yes please Jared. I need my complete of Rum !

I have a beam and FT857

No issues for room, as for night, I just hope Tim isn’t afraid of the dark, field mice or Soay sheep :rofl: otherwise it’s game on.

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In 2018 and 2024 when I visited St Kilda, there was a road of some sort still there, and a new military base. The warden still had his rules (I’m guessing a different person, he only looked in his forties :grinning_face:) but he was approachable and could understand why I wanted to operate on Bioda Mor and Hirta - we will hopefully see next weekend.

73, Ben
GW4BML

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160m is a cruel band. To quote ON4UN somewhere in his book, 160m often needs a separate RX antenna. Dunno ! It might work, or I won’t hear him and then it’s too late :joy:

On TX the full size antenna is much more efficient than anything I’ve had before on 160m. Inv L etc

Built a stepper motor controller to a homebrew T Match with a output balun. Not strictly a balanced tuner, but works well enough for now. RS485 back to the shack and poke it with commands using PuTTy. Homemade 600R ladder with surplus eddystone beehives for insulators.

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That tuner looks good, Jonathon! My set-up is much more improvised, a 40m long cloud-warmer doublet tuned by an MFJ-949E fed with 300 ohm ribbon, yet somehow I have amassed a fair number of chases on 160! I doubt that I would do well as a DX-er but for 160m around the UK and Western EU it seems OK. Actually my first 160m chases were made with a G5RV wired as a doublet, even less efficient than my current antenna! 160m might be cruel to DX-ers but when I started listening back in 1959 it was a major ragchew band and the main mobile band, people weren’t afraid to give it a try!

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Fabulous workmanship Jonathan, well done, it makes my Heath Robinson DIY efforts look very amateur, however I have 262 DXCC countries confirmed on 160m, so its amazing what can be be done with wire, coil, capacitors and higher power once you have achieved your first top band QSO across the pond to the USA. Working into Russia was the first hurdle though, and soon after getting my licence, I realised that in those days without FT8 etc CW was the way to do it. So after working Vlad UA3PFN near Moscow, late one night on the key in June 1982 I was bitten by the Top Band bug! AA1K in Jan 1983 was my first USA - G (Lancashire) DX QSO I think!

The tips found in the late ON4UN Top Band books on LF antennas are essential for success I have found, John never mentioned what power he used, but I do remember the strength of his signals and chatting to him after listening to his presentation at an RSGB HF Convention in the 1980s.

The first rule for success as a 160m DXer is that you need to be there, so a night owl mentally is essential. The ability to get out of bed in the middle of the night for an hour here and an hour there, and to be there for the grey line to wherever you want to work, is the key. Then you need to get the best antenna you can that fits your QTH.

I’ve always been a fan of the 1/4 or 3/8 wave inverted L, it’s practical and is made easily resonant to 50 ohm coax. Either the quarter wave or three eights wave length version, with as high a vertical section as you can possibly make from the 130 or 180 feet length has worked best for me.

I have relied mostly on trees around where I have lived for elevation, or a house roof to either support the vertical section of the inverted L, or the end of it. Running the vertical section up the side of a mast or tower around 1 metre away from it (but not shunt feeding) has worked well for me. To make either antenna resonant over a good ground I use one of two simple methods, without resorting to inductance or a tuner unit as such.

When I was fortunate enough to be able use a 3/8ths wave inverted L, I rigged an 80 feet vertical wire up the side of a Versatower with a 100 feet top, to a sycamore tree with the end at 50 feet AGL I used a 1000pf Jennings variable capacitor in series at the feed point to resonate it on 1833 kHz. This antenna was loaded against around 5000 feet of random length ground radials. At this QTH from 2000 - 2016 I had the most success on 160m. I was able to rig a single terminated beverage 450 feet long there pointing directly at the Caribbean. It was very effective - but only in that direction. I didn’t get as far as making it bi-directional.

At my last QTH from 2017 - 2026 and until I went QRT from there in April, I used a 1/4 wave inverted L, wire fed from the base of a beech tree up to the 40 feet level, where I fixed a 30 feet heavy duty fishing pole with HD Tywraps and Velcro tapes, giving me a 70 feet vertical section. The wire top of 60 feet came down to the gable end of my house and finished at around 30 feet AGL. That antenna was fed against around 2000 feet of buried radials, which included a peripheral wire bordering the fences around my garden of around 350 feet in length. I have found that the impedance of a quarter wave antenna over a decent ground is between 20 and 25 ohms, so to overcome that and improve the SWR from around 1.7:1 and enable the use of the legal limit, I used a 2 KW rated 1:2 UNUN to bring the match down to 1 to 1 SWR on around 1835 kHz. That way no tuner unit is required.

As I said, it’s all very much a “Heath Robinson” build mentality at G4OBK - but it’s worked for me DXing on 160m over the last 40 odd years.

73 Phil G4OBK

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I would rather say a true amateur mentality in the best sense of the word!

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