Hi
not sure, but I do not understand, why one summit like…
Summit Information for DM/BM-238
Heidelstein - 923m, 10 points
gives 10 points, and an other summit like
Summit Information for OE/TI-401
Matonkopf - 2168m, 8 points
more then doubble high, gives only 8 points for an activation…
I activated last one, had to drive 400km, had to climb up to 2168m…
Seems not to be fair…
Or am I wrong?
Who can explain that for me?
Thank you
klaus
dk1ax
In reply to DK1AX:
Summits in OE/TI are not comparable to summits in DM/BM.
Andy
MM0FMF
In reply to MM0FMF:
…FAQ
In reply to DK1AX:
Klaus,
Summits in different SOTA Associations have different ranges for the points.
While this might not seem fair to people hunting for the points, these are the rules. The discussion about this is as old as SOTA.
73 Heinz, OE5EEP
In reply to OE5EEP:
Summits in different SOTA Associations have different ranges for the
points.While this might not seem fair to people hunting for the points, these
are the rules. The discussion about this is as old as SOTA.
Indeed. There are two 8-point summits in Belgium which are both less than 700m altitude.
73,
Walt (G3NYY)
In reply to OE5EEP:
The discussion about this is as old as SOTA.
Older!
73 Richard G3CWI
In reply to G3NYY:
“There are two 8-point summits in Belgium which are both less than 700m altitude”
The 8 points are to compensate for the midge bites.
In reply to G3NYY:
Indeed. There are two 8-point summits in Belgium which are both less than 700m
altitude.
Indeeder. There are 8-point summits in England which are less than 1000m altitude.
Andy
In reply to DK1AX:
Hi, Klaus. This topic has been debated quite often over the years, for instance read this topic:
http://www.sotawatch.org/reflector.php?topic=5117#
The brief answer is that it has proved impossible to come up with a single, simple unified world-wide system for scoring the points for summits. For instance, if you just use the height above sea level as a criterion then an objection might be raised when a 150 metres bump in a valley in the high Himalaya could be worth many points even though the ascent is trivial. The decision was taken at the start of SOTA to make the scoring of each individual Association independent. Thus OE/TI-401 gets its score of 8 points by its height relative to other OE summits with no reference to summits in DM, HB9 and so on. If you read the thread given above you will see how different viewpoints were expressed but no consensus for a change emerged.
73
Brian G8ADD
In reply to DK1AX:
Hallo Klaus, das ist sehr ärgerlich, es ist eben so. Du mußt die hohen Gipfel mit nur 8 Punkten eben mit der Seilbahn erklimmen. was glaubst Du, wie wir uns hier geärgert haben, als Dutzende Gipfel auf geheiß der Engländer gestrichen wurden. Da waren Gipfel, die man mit der Seilbahn erreichen konnte, aber auch Gipfel, die mit 2 oder dreistündigem Fußmarsch zu erklimmen waren. Mein Brief deswegen an das Management wurde nicht einmal beantwortet.
Und bedenke, in Italien hast Du für einen Gipfel mit blöden 2380 m nur 8 Punkte. Deswegen fahren ja viele in andere Regionen, um Punkte zu sammeln.
In England verlaufen viele straßen über einen SOTA “Gipfel” (mit Parkplatz und Aussicht) und da tauchte vor längerer Zeit die Frage auf: Wie weit muß ich vom Auto weg sein, damit der Gipfel zählt! HIHI. Im GMA zählt erstens die Absolute Höhe, aber für mehr QSOs gibts Bonus, auch sonst ist die Abrechnung differenzierter. (Berg mit 350 m über NN 3 Punkte, Berg mit 2150 m über NN 21 Punkte. Natürlich auch nicht ganz gerecht, wer im Mittelgebirge 400m aufsteigt auf einen Gipfel mit 600m hat 6 Punkte, wer im Gebirge von einem Parkplatz auf 1600 m 200m auf einen Gipfel mit 1800 m aufsteigt, hat 18 Punkte.
aber lassen wir, wie es ist, sonst kanns kompliziert werden.
Servus
OE7HPI
Holger
In reply to OE7HPI:
In England verlaufen viele straßen über einen SOTA “Gipfel” (mit
Parkplatz und Aussicht) und da tauchte vor längerer Zeit die Frage
auf: Wie weit muß ich vom Auto weg sein, damit der Gipfel zählt!
In der Tat nur sehr wenige Gipfel in England haben Straßen in der AZ, nicht mehr als eine Handvoll.
73
Brian G8ADD
In reply to G8ADD:
There are so many variables there is never going to be a solution to keep everyone happy - one must just look at a single association in isolation.
I wonder how many English summits have cable cars to the top for example? In Wales, Snowdon has a train almost to the top for those who wish to use it - although I have ascended on foot on the 3 occasions I have activated the summit.
At the end of the day, it is all down to a personal sense of achievement for me. Each individual has different abilities and possibly problems to overcome - an easy 1 point summit (and there are plenty of harder ones) for me might be like Mont Blanc to someone else and vice versa. I wouldn’t dream of trying to compare my ‘points’ to someone in another country - I simply look in awe at some of the summits climbed and wonder about whether the cable car was taken part way in others.
Enjoy SOTA as a community for bringing together the things you enjoy - radio and the hills/mountains. There is great support and I have made some good friends.
73
Karen 2E0XYL