Not so waterproof it appears

After my last activation of G/WB-014 and walking through long wet grass my boots of about 2-3years old left me with soggy feet (Odyssey Extreme Mens Vibram Waterproof Hiking Boots | Mountain Warehouse)

I gave them a double dosing of waterproof to hopefully cure the soggy feet feeling.

During and after the activation of GW/NW-039 Foel Goch yesterday not only are my boots not waterproof, neither are my over trousers and my what I thought was waterproof jacket (Blue Peter Storm Mens Packable Cagoule – Millets) is not waterproof.

All in all it was a soggy day. On the plus side, I was quite warm and the wind was not getting to me.

The questions are:
Waterproof boots
Overtrousers
Lightweight waterproof jacket
What do you use ?

Ta

John ‘Not soggy any more’ M0VAZ

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You may find your jacket is waterproof but not very breathable and so you are actually wet from sweat.

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Gaiters may help.

When you’ve been up to your armpits in a peat hag wet feet become a minor problem! (Yes, that happened to me once, the ice gave way!)

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I guess that is an option I had not considered.

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Hi John,

unfortunately as they old saying goes “Buy cheap buy twice” and the clue is in the name like “Peter Storm” Unfortunately to stay dry (or reasonably so, nothing will keep out hours of horizontal drizzle) you need to invest in premium (and expensive) mountaineering brands. I’ve always gone for Meindl boots myself but there are others. I’ve Berghaus, Rab and Mountaineering Equipment jackets that are still in use after 20+ years (properly maintained). It’s an expensive outlaw but after thousands of hours on the wet hills you’ll be glad you made it. Good equipment is literally a life saver in our maritime climate.

Regards

Declan EI6FR

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I do have some gaiters - these maybe worth a try to shield the top of the boots

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The answer is: wellies! I don’t think there are really waterproof shoes. Some let in the water slower, but you still get wet feet. Even wellies give you wet feet because there is no breathing.

73, martin - PE1EEC.

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Experience has taught me that there are no such things as:

  • Waterproof boots
  • Waterproof overtrousers
  • Waterproof jackets

However, life has equipped me with waterproof skin. So that will have to do.

More seriously - I expect to get wet. I wear clothing that will be warm when wet. I take clothing that will dry overnight. The above gear just slows down the rate of moisture transfer, and thus reduces the heat loss - so that is important. But it will never keep me dry (just look at the big holes in each item for arms & legs, for a start!)

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You’ve asked a question which has an infinite number of answers! We all have our preferences and I’m sure many of us have developed our ideas on what suits us as time has gone by.

I actually started off in SOTA with boots from a local outlet… I think Gortex was their only claim to fame. Waterproof they were not. I struggled with them for two years until I bought a pair of Kayland Contact 1000 boots which were a revelation. I well remember standing in a shallow steam in them with the water an inch from the top and my feet were totally dry. Since the Contact 1000s went to boot heaven I have added various others to my collection. I have a preference for fabric boots over leather ones, but I guess that generally goes against the trend. Others will extol the virtues of leather

As for clothing, I started off with what Millets could offer me at the time. Paul G4MD introduced me to Paramo kit and I have bought that brand ever since. Not cheap, but long lasting. My older Paramo walking trousers have done at least 300 activations and are starting to look tatty. I wear them on activations regardless of the weather as they can be vented. The same goes for my Paramo jacket which actually insulates from the heat of the sun as well as keeps me warm in sub-zero temperatures. I just adjust my base layers accordingly… even to the extent where I have used my OEX down jacket under my Paramo jacket. That was toasty. :joy:

It will be interesting to see what recommendations you receive in reply to your question. As I said, the variety will be infinite…

73, Gerald

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I got a pair of used AKU Army boots from the surplus store in Llangollen. They are heavy and not that comfortable but are waterproof so are saved for wet/snowy days.

A few years ago I had a pair of waterproof Asics trail running shoes which were great until they got a hole in the toe box after about 18 months. Being trainers, they weren’t much use in wet, long grass but perfect for stony, puddly paths and a bit of rain.

I’d be happy with a £75 boot lasting 2-3 years. Previous boots I’ve had from Scarpa and Merrell have only lasted 6 months before they started leaking.

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I’m yet to find any waterproofs that work for me. I always get too hot and they are not breatheable enough:

Waterproof trousers - I have the Mountain Warehouse Downpour for when it’s really wet or really windy. They have zips and poppers on the legs so at least you can unzip the legs and just use the poppers to let some moisture out/air in.

I’ve got a Stormtec jacket for light rain which has a little bit of padding for a bit of warmth. This was waterproof for about 4 weeks after I bought it, now the water soaks in a bit despite several attempts at reproofing.
For winter I’ve got a Regatta Highton coat. Also waterproof for a few weeks but now the rain soaks in a bit.

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I started with Berghaus soft Explorer IV which were waterproof for 18months. Hole appeared at toe flex point. About £95 in 2006

Then Meindl Borneo Leather Goretex waterproof till the mid sole decayed 10 years later. Not at all comfortable till I changed the insole. After 2 years bought the Asolo and these kept for Winter only for 4 years. About £170 in 2008

At the same time Asolo Flame soft Goretex boots for better weather. Stayed waterproof till fabric wore a hole are toe flex point. Most comfortable boot ever, very poor sole life. About £165 in 2010.

Meindl Bhutan MFS Goretex Leather. Updated over 2008 boot design. Comfortable with 3 walks of breaking in. About £180 in 2014. The 2008 pair and 2014 pair were worn in a 3:1 ratio, 3 walks in the 2010’s then 1 walk in the 2014’s

2008 Meindl midsole started to delaminate in 2017. Several repairs tried, all failed.

Meindl Bhutan MFS Goretex Leather. Bought 2017 for £220. Worn in same 3:1 ratio with 2014 boots.

Meindle Bhutan MFS Goretex Leather. Bought online in 2024 for £209 delivered. 2014 boot sole well worn. Cheaper for new boots than a resole, re-rand and midsole repair. 2014 boots bad weather “dogging” boots. 3:1 use ratio with 2017.

That’s a lots of boots in 20 years and a huge amount of money. But I am a diabetic and our feet are easily damaged. I self-inflicted my Type 2 through poor lifestyle. Now I exercise and have to look after my feet. Quality footwear is important. None of my Meindl boots have leaked. Ever. Nor did the Asolos till the hole appeared.

Meindl advise regular use to help stop delamination problems.

From my 20 years of SOTA hill walking, expensive boots work for me. The Bhutans and my feet get on well. YMMV

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I’ll enlarge on what I said earlier. As Andy indicates above, it is worthwhile deep spending on boots. After that I have always sworn by a good pair of gaiters, they add protection from water ingress from above when you are swishing through wet grass and heather, and the trapped air gives at least temporary protection if you get overtopped splashing through a stream or puddle. Its also important that overtrousers go over the gaiters, not under them, as they steer condensation downwards. Finally, gaiters give some defence against gorse, particularly that nasty ground-hugging variety that infests Cornish moors!

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Salamon Quest 4D GTX (4th pair over many years work for me. the soles finally get a bit slick)

The rest of the way up is a Gore-Tex and even have SealSkinz socks for my tootsies!!:grin:

OFF TOPIC OF BOOTS

I have a pair of Goretex XC gaiters (Extremities brand ?) worn on the recent GM/ES funday in the long grass etc. When I got home I decided to give them a proper clean rather than rinse and dry. I was amazed how much muck and soil came out of them. I’m sure it was blocking the Goretex breathing significantly. Anyway, multiple soaks and washes in warm water till the water didn’t look like Brown Windsor Soup. They may breath better now!

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It’s also important to consider what you are wearing underneath your waterproof clothing. If it’s made from cotton you might as well not bother wearing waterproofs. They get very wet from your sweat. So you have to wear materials that wick the moisture away.

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With (Leather) boots it is worth spending quite a lot of time trying different ones on. I have used many makes over the years - and as the design changes so does the fit. I currently use Alt-Berg and have 2 pairs (one was resoled) that fit (for me) perfectly and unless I’m ankle deep dry too. Getting a pair involved about half an hour fitting in their factory shop as I went through most of the different combinations. Socks make a huge difference to getting blisters too. I would agree that nothing is perfectly waterproof (or at least if it is then sweat becomes a problem) so I aim for comfortable - lots of layers topped with Paramo when needed…

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The best boots Ive owned are Meindl. First pair has lasted over 10 years and is still good, although semi retired them as there isn’t much grip on the sole. After a yomp up a particularly large Mountain in the lake District it was time for an upgrade. So I purchased a pair of Meindl Peru GTX leather walking boots. Took a while to wear in, but they are fantastic! I am diabetic and have found normal walking socks ok, but found some diabetic socks from Norfolk Socks and they are fantastic! So thats keeping in the smell and keeping the water out.

Trousers are from Craghoppers and get re-waterproofed occasionally. jacket is a Jack Wolfskin (cant remember the model). Im a fair weather activator though so If its raining Im not going activating. Buy cheap buy twice.

There is no such thing as bad Weather, just bad clothing!

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I use different footwear depending on where I’m going, and I’ve got different durability/waterproofing expectations from each.

First off, I’ve got a proper pair of “big boots”, some Scarpa R-Evo Pros which are stiff and heavy, will take a C1 Crampon, and are generally pretty robust. These will keep water out all day in the most rotten conditions, especially on snowy/slushy winter days. I’ve had these for about seven or eight years now and they’re brilliant, but they’re not the most comfortable thing to kick about in all day. If I was heading out into some “proper mountains”, these would be my go-to every time.

My most-used option are a pair of light boots, a pair of Inov-8 Roclite 345s. These were waterproof when they were new about three years ago, but they’re now pretty knackered with holes in the uppers and I’m just about to throw them in the bin. They’re basically a pair of hill running shoes with a goretex liner and a bit of extra ankle support. I’ve found that with these more flexible boots, the goretex liner gets worn out much faster, and I wouldn’t usually expect more than a couple of years from a pair. I also wear these far more often than the big Scarpas, basically using them for most summer hills, anywhere that I know there’s a path, and also using them for some big long hikes (I did the West Highland Way in them last year), and general weekend strolls in the countryside etc.

Third option is usually a pair of trail running shoes. These have absolutely no waterproofing at all, which seems disconcerting at first, but you soon realise that this can actually be beneficial, because although the water gets in easily, they also drain and dry really quickly too. The key is just to keep a pair of merino socks underneath them, as merino stays fairly warm and comfortable even when totally soaked (people saying they don’t stink are lying though). I usually replace trail runners by distance, so would typically get about six months to a year from a pair. Most brands are pretty comparable, but Salomons are particularly rubbish on wet rock in my experience.

Jackets and trousers: I’ve learned from experience that basically the only thing that works is spending money on good quality gear. Again, I have a big robust set of Rab eVent trousers and a Mountain Equipment Gore Tex Jacket that serve me well when conditions are stinking, and a lighter pair of Mountain Equipment GTX Paclite Trousers, and a Rab GTX Paclite jacket if I’m running or heading out in better weather. Mountain Equipment and Rab seem to do stuff that’s really good value for money, where some other brands like Patagucci, Marmot and Arcteryx can have a wee bit of a fashion tax added on. North Face are a bit guilty of this too, but you can often pick up “last year’s” colours at mega discount and/or in the outlet shop.

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I’m enjoying this gear talk, but it makes me chuckle a bit! I’ve been in this game a loooong time, since the late 1950s. Let me see…my first boots were exWD commando boots with vibram montana soles, they were waterproof if you slapped on enough Dubbin for each outing! They also lasted a good decade - military quality. My first cagoule was made of canvas, from Black’s. Waterproof? Don’t make me laugh! A year or two later (I can’t remember) Peter Storm advertised their first nylon shell clothing, a yachting smock, it was a wonderful condensor, you were wetter on the inside than the outside! The best jackets for those of us who couldn’t afford Ventile were the waxed jackets favoured by farmers, and who better to know how to operate in bad weather! By today’s standard we were terribly primitive, drowned rat days were frequent, but we got things done and had a great time doing it, and the hills were much quieter in those days compared with today’s rabble, such as noisy hams sitting under poles! :rofl: I suppose what I am saying is enjoy the wonderful gear available now, but don’t wander into gear freak territory, the gear is a tool, nice to have but not really essential, being out there is the essential, if you suffer a bit they say it builds character - or a thirst!

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