Did any one work hans dl/pa3fyg yesterday around about 16.20 ive wrote the report down but not where he was so if any one knows please give me a nudge thanks Dave M3XIE
In reply to -M3XIE:
According to the spot - DM/NW-258
Pete
In reply to -M3XIE:
Dave
Scroll back through the Spots for yesterday
1629 DM/NW 258
73
Roy G4SSH
In reply to -M3XIE:
Yes - 1443Z on ON/ON-001
1604Z on DM/NW-258
Mike G6TUH
In reply to G6TUH:
Thanks mike and every one else just found dw258 written on piece paper so should gone on the other piece paper with my report and his call sign should also been nw senior citizen moment from 51 year old how bad is that Dave M3XIE
In reply to -M3XIE:
Don’t worry Dave and I am 10 years ahead of you. My best one this year has been to throw my days log, along with the newspaper, into the bin. Fortunately got back after a messy retrieve 
Mike G6TUH
In reply to -M3XIE:
Technically* Dave you can’t claim that if you didn’t hear the reference at some time during the activation! 
There again people “work” activators when they can’t hear them. At least 2 people did that today with me when I was on NS-150. They didn’t copy their report and despite attempts to correct them they didn’t have enough of a valid exchange to claim the points. They will do though. Blissful ignorance.
Andy
MM0FMF
- Technically: a euphemistic use of the word to distinguish between what happens in practice and what should happen.
In reply to MM0FMF:
Which is why I keep my own chaser spreadsheet and only accumulate points towards an HF CW sloth for confirmed chases, or where the callsign logged by the activator is a reasonable approximation. This makes allowance for my poor sending and activators’ logging errors.
Regards, Dave, G6DTN
In reply to -M3XIE:
No I did not work him hi hi,
Ref DM/NW-258 is ok Mike.
In reply to MM0FMF:
hi andy i did here him and got a report from hans but i did not write the summit down correctly but if that is the case and for the sake of justice i will delete this contact from my point score this is not a problem ,
Dave
M3XIE
In reply to -M3XIE:
Hi Dave,
The choice is yours but “Technically” I think you would find the majority of all chaser QSO’s take place without the chaser hearing the summit reference over the air during their QSO. Not Technically, correct, but see Andys caveat above.
This does raise the issue of log keeping,the keeping of which is no longer a requirement of the UK amateur licence other than in certain situations. A log used to have to be kept for all transmissions, even /M although thankfully that requirement was dropped just before I was first licensed.
I still keep a main station log, & it is still on paper, despite computer logging programs being available for many years. They do come in handy, & will be much better for recording your SOTA cases than odd bits of paper that you may lose or misplace. Besides that, a correctly formatted log sheet will give you a hint that you have not recorded all the relevant information as there will be a blank space.
Traditional paper log books can still be purchased from most, if not all amateur radio emporiums, or you could easily create your own. I have done this myself in the past using a well known spreadsheet program, although I found binding the sheets awkward so my current log book is a commercial one.
In your situation, if you knew the summit you were working at the time, had the correct callsign & exchanged reports correctly I would still count that as a valid chase, even though you may not have heard the activator giving you the summit reference during your exchange.
73 & Happy Easter,
Mark G0VOF
In reply to G0VOF & M3XIE:
Hello,
I also use a paper log, template in Word, which I print off as required. At the end of the day I enter the paper log into DXKeeper (which I need to do as I use the program to export ADIF files for Logbook of the World) and also enter the log into a annual Word document. At the end of the year I archive that yearly log. A bit long winded I know
Happy Easter
Mike G6TUH
Further to the “Technical” aspect - what should you do when an activator gives out an incorrect summit reference and later corrects it after he gets home and realises his mistake ?
Should the activator and the chaser both delete their contacts as not being “within the rules” ?
I think not, because after all SOTA is meant to be “non-competitive” and a fun part of the hobby and human error is part of life.
Live & let live !
73 Graham G3OHC (now back on the air )
In reply to G3OHC:
Hi Graham,
Glad to hear you are back on the air. Live & Let live indeed!
Genuine mistakes do happen & if you work an activator in good faith & log the reference they give, then as long as the activation was within the rules, a correction to an incorrect reference given during the activation is well within the spirit of SOTA.
73 & Happy Easter,
Mark G0VOF
In reply to G0VOF:
This morning I worked DL/PA0SKP/P on 30m and caught him just after he came on the band, was his second QSO. Since he had not sent his reference at all I asked him for it, he ignored my request and a small pileup appeared. When Juerg HB8BIN/P worked him for a S2S he did indeed send his ref, which I copied as DM/SR-007. I see RBN-Gate put out an alert as DM/RP-007, but I was pretty sure I had it right. Looking through the announced operations I see he planned to visit various summits today including SR-007.
Posting references intermittently is OK provided the right information is sent frequently enough on air and can be confirmed with SOTAWatch. In this case it seems neither was done… Since he seems to have activated several summits within a few minutes one has to wonder whether any of them were really valid.
73 Dave G3YMC
In reply to G3YMC:
I also copied DM/SR-007 as the reference. Sadly, he then announced a QSY whilst I and several others were still calling. Everything seemed just a little rushed …
73 de Les, G3VQO
In reply to -M3XIE:
Dave, I think your QSO is OK as you exchanged signal reports.
I am teasing but for a serious reason. Some activators and I include myself here, don’t send the reference enough. Also some chasers will log a successful QSO when they couldn’t hear the activator properly. So we all, or many of us, need to up our game.
Andy
MM0FMF
In reply to G3OHC:
Further to the “Technical” aspect - what should you do when an
activator gives out an incorrect summit reference and later corrects
it after he gets home and realises his mistake ?
I think it’s straight forward Graham, if you heard the activator say NS-150 and logged it as such and you heard NS-150 in many other QSOs then copied the information correctly. If the activator says later, sorry wrong summit it was NS-140 then there is no issue in correcting it. I base this simply on the fact had the activator sent NS-140 you would have heard and logged that.
We do have a problem when we using automatic spotting in that some people will take what SOTAwatch says without listening for long enough to hear the reference. That auto spot may not be accurate as it is based on RBN hearing the CQ and callsign and the spotting software matching the callsign to an alert. Of course they shouldn’t have to listen for too long to hear the reference being sent. I am quite bad at forgetting to send the reference after the first 3 or so QSOs on CW. I do send more often on SSB.
Given the problems with auto CW spotting versus the benefits, I am more than happy for the spotting to continue the way it does and for me to ensure I give sufficient info that chasers know where I am and that valid spots are placed.
Andy
MM0FMF
In reply to MM0FMF:
Thanks chaps, my ears weren’t deceiving me (and HB8BIN/P I mentioned was of course a typo, I know Juerg’s call and his ref which he sent, even though I didn’t work him…). Points noted Andy, yes some do get a bit lazy in sending refs but in this case he hardly sent it at all so no ‘real’ alerts were spotted only the RBN ones which were obviously wrong.
73 Dave