APRS

In reply to G3CWI:

Hi Richard

have you seen this site?

It was an easy project to complete and is very reliable.

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The main problem with using APRS in Wales is the lack of i-gates to relay the position information with next to no coverage unless you are on the tops.

I occasionally get round the issue by cross banding 2m to 30m via my vehicle to fill in the gaps on some of my big walks.

APRS is fun to play with and nice to see the tracks made but I would never rely on APRS in an emergency or for positioning the system is too patchy and I’ve found that there are not that many people who watch where you are.

As for messaging thats ok if you have that facility built in to something like a dedicated hand-held its too much of a faff to add a display and key board to my trackers.

APRS via smart-phone sounds like a good idea till you realise just how much battery capacity it requires to run the apps, GPSr and then the link. I’m often out for 8 hours (or even longer) and may want to have some battery left for a phone call; and there is sill the problem of mobile-phone coverage in mid Wales

Carolyn

In reply to G6WRW:

Thanks Carolyn. I have coded my own system now which works quite well. I am just writing an adaptive polling routine. My PCB has a SD slot so in theory I could store the co-ordinates for the SOTA summits and beacon the summit reference when I enter the Az. However, that might be too much like hard work!

It would, however be good to know what facilities might be useful for SOTA while I am bashing the code.

73

Richard
G3CWI

In reply to G3CWI:

It would, however be good to know what facilities might be useful for
SOTA while I am bashing the code.

I am sending position coordinates and altitude from GPS every 10 minutes. The status packets have a string “SOTA” and the measured ambient temperature. The tracker has a switch, which will change the profile. In the second profile the tracker starts to send packets more often and changes the running man symbol on the aprs screen to an antenna symbol. This can be used to tell the chasers QRV status.

73, Jaakko OH7BF/F5VGL

Edit: more telemetry is of course possible, ambient pressure would be interesting in Alps

In reply to G6WRW:

Hi Carolyn,

It sounds like Wales is in the situation we were in up here a few years ago but as Julian mentioned we now have a Digi (albeit in Scotland) that serves us well and a few well places I-Gates that make all the difference (but could do with more, particularly in the East & South of the Lakes). Hopefully the same will happen in Wales but you need the interest to get it started and you won’t get that without the infrastructure (a bit of a Chicken & Egg situation).

Yes, power can be a problem with the Phones but with a bit of Management I can normally make mine last (but really must get some spare batteries, which luckily are fairly cheap, small & light). The important thing is to disable what you aren’t or can’t use, it is no use having a phone on when it can’t get a signal and it consumes a lot of power when trying to get one (but does make a nice little hand warmer in the Winter).

I do carry an emergency phone charger (which uses 4 AAA Zinc Chloride batteries) and a spare phone for real emergencies. And like you said APRS shouldn’t be relied upon to get you out of or avoid trouble (or any other GPS based system for that matter) but can help and provide a bit of re-assurance.

73,
Colin.

I got a 9AH (or something like that) external battery with USB outlet on eBay last year, though unfortunately I never got a chance to use it before my incapacitation.

Having said that, since this is an amateur radio activity I really prefer to use radio. It just adds some interest, even if it is not the most reliable method for tracking your position. If you have an APRS-capable handheld with receive then it can be interesting to see who you hear - if European stations start popping up on the display then it’s an indication that there’s a lift on.

Julian, G4ILO

In reply to M0RCP:

This looks promising as a solution to the APRS coverage problem:

http://www.crosscountrywireless.net/aprs_messenger.htm

The documentation claims it can be run on Linux platforms
under Wine, so perhaps it could be run on a Raspberry. Includes
PSK and a selection of other digimodes.

Rick.

In reply to M0RCP: I doubt that a Raspberry would be powerful enough to run wine. But there are native APRS programs for Linux that probably could be ported to the Pi, such as are run on reflashed routers.

Julian, G4ILO

In reply to G4ILO:

I doubt that a Raspberry would be powerful enough to run wine

There’s a word to describe that comment… shoemakers!

Andy
MM0FMF

As I read the last post, this dropped into my inbox at work…

http://piregistration.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html?sku=2081185&CMP=e-dd53-00001240

Interesting looking product, and could open up a whole new World of interesting projects :slight_smile:

Next trick - convince finance we need at least one in the department…

Cheers

Tim

In reply to G4ILO:

The Raspberry Pi is merely a convenient development platform (or will be when it becomes available!) At a push even something like a PIC16 could do the job.

As I see it what’s really important is that there are HF APRS gateways out there that could conceivably be used to give APRS coverage even in quite deep valleys and in the remote parts of Scotland etc.

73

Rick.

I have used aprs2sota several times when I couldn’t get coverage on my cellphone. To minimize the time used to send a spot I have pre-stored messages on my Yaesu VX-8G for some of the frequencies I often use. I then have to add the actual summit reference. Very handy tool!

…and changes the running man symbol on the aprs screen to an antenna symbol. This can be used to tell the chasers QRV status.

Bob has provided APRS Symbols for SOTA and WOTA. They are both based on the picnic table symbol with S or W overlay. Not the best options in my opinion.
S; = SOTA
W; = WOTA

I doubt that a Raspberry would be powerful enough to run wine

The Raspberry Pi is not able to run Windows apps under Wine because of the ARM processor.

73! Mads, la1tpa

In reply to LA1TPA:

because of the ARM processor.

  1. recompile program source using ARM compiler + ARM port of Wine

  2. use unmodified x86 binary with x86 Wine & QEMU

  3. use unmodified x86 binary with QEMU and ARM port of Wine.

CPU performance is not the issue, available memory is the issue.

Andy
MM0FMF

In reply to MM0FMF:
Ok, thanks for the info

73! Mads, la1tpa

I did a little article on the Summits Base site 12 months ago about I get round the problem with coverage in mountainous areas.

Here are the relevant bits

There are a number of factors which limit the usefulness of portable VHF APRS for position information these include: lack of IGates in a given area; low power levels (typically 5W from handhelds); fairly inefficient antennas; and signals usually have to be line of sight (being the “wrong” side of a hill tends to block the signals). Using portable HF APRS equipment on 30m is not that realistic given the size of the antennas and the RF power required for reliable beacons to be seen; but from a mobile it is not too difficult to get reliable tracks, especially if you already have a reasonable HF setup. So the thought crossed my mind, is there a practical way of utilising the European HF IGate network to provide tracks which can be viewed on the APRS mapping website (http://aprs.fi/) while walking with a simple system?

So far I had built (and learnt how to set-up) my own APRS beacon for mobile use (APRS - TinyTrak), began to understand how the VHF and HF APRS networks functioned, acquired a Byonics portable beacon (the All In One) (Byonics - MicroTrak) and had built and programmed a Tiny Trak 4 (Byonics - TinyTrak4) to act as a beacon/digipeater (but as yet only on the bench to prove the principle). I was now slowly working my way to having a more reliable tracking system for those places where there was very little coverage on VHF.

There is a caveat to the following: the Amateur licence is very vague regarding some aspects of digital/remote operation so please check your licence conditions before experimenting, especially if you hold a foundation or intermediate licence. Receive-only IGating to the internet can be done by anyone but almost anything to do with gating data from the internet or digipeating requires a full license and, for some aspects, a NoV (my system is not acting as a traditional digipeater). The grey area stems from the lack of control (and content) when retransmitting other people’s signals. In this case the license requires that a prompt shutdown can be performed if the system is being used as a repeater.

My configuration of the hardware I use will only respond to my data stream from the portable unit and will not repeat any other signals it sees, additionally if there is no valid GPS data (from a GPSr when it is switched off or disconnected) the remote transceiver will not transmit its position.

The key to the system is the TT4 as it can be configured to operate in various modes such as APRS beacon, smart digipeater or as a KISS TNC. In digipeater mode it will accept 1200bps packets and can then be programmed to repeat them at 300bps; this is the function I have exploited.

The TT4 can also be set up in two independent configurations controlled by a switch; one a normal VHF mobile APRS beacon (with smart beaconing) the second as a dual function HF beacon/VHF to HF digipeater. The HF beacon/VHF to HF digipeater function is controlled by it accepting either “GPS data” or an “alias” within the received data from a remote source. The TT4 will not initiate a transmission unless it receives a valid NMEA signal (in which case it will transmit its location periodically) or sees the correct alias (which will trigger a digipeat on HF).

The AIO also has the ability to be programmed with 2 separate configurations. One is a normal beacon set to transmit at preset intervals, the other contains the information to which the TT4 will respond (both settings can be seen by any VHF digipeater without issue).

I now had the various units to begin real world experiments, the AIO, a TT4 connected to a multi-band multi-mode mobile transceiver and an antenna for 2m receive and 30m transmit (my actual system is a Yaesu FT-857 and ATAS 120A but any multimode/multiband HF/VHF transceiver and suitable antennas will do)

Basic configurations of the various components are as follows:

• Within the VHF beacon’s transmitted data an “alias” should be included in the Digi Path. The data should be in the format: CALLSIGN, WIDE1-1, WIDE2-1 (where CALLSIGN is your own callsign, the “alias”). A VHF IGate or digipeater will ignore the CALLSIGN in the path and just act on the WIDE commands. Keeping the WIDE hops small prevents potentially clogging both VHF and HF networks.

• To set the TT4 to look for the alias, the unit’s configuration program is used. In the Beacon/Digipeater section, Digipeater Settings, ALIAS1 should be set to the CALLSIGN used in the data stream from the remote unit. When the data is received the path is checked and the beacon will only be repeated if the CALLSIGN corresponds to the first instruction in the path; this is the key to controlling what is retransmitted and filters out any other packet data that might be seen. In the Packet section the Transit 300 Baud (P300) should be ticked (the received data will still be at 1200bps). The TT4 is the only self-contained module that can perform this translation function as far as I am aware.

• The transceiver is set up to receive 2m packet data and then switch to 30m to transmit, which is easily accomplished by programming a memory in split-frequency mode.

A few things to remember is that all transmissions should be kept as short as possible and less frequently than VHF to avoid overloading and blocking the HF APRS system, the lower baud rate of the 300bps HF means that transmissions are significantly longer than on VHF. On the VHF beacon disable smart beaconing, use MIC-E compression, transmit every 3-5 minutes minimum and only add a very brief APRS message if you want.

There are limitations to VHF to HF digipeating. If you happen to be on the opposite side of the hill to your mobile the link maybe unreliable, 30m is generally a daylight band and is subject to the whims of propagation, the European IGate network can be very busy, which means your beacon may not even be seen, using limited WIDE paths could also mean no gating to the internet through lack of hops. But even with these potential problems I have been getting very good tracks while walking in Wales.

All in all, if you know there will be limited VHF IGate coverage near to where you are going, the VHF to HF digipeater option described above could provide a method of getting your position on to the APRS network. Have fun experimenting.

Carolyn (G6WRW)

In reply to G6WRW:

I think http://www.PropNET.org (psk31) or http://wsprnet.org is better if you want to tell the world that you are out there and QRV. Not very good for the position information though. HF packet radio is not a working concept as far as I know.

73, Jaakko OH7BF/F5VGL

In reply to G3CWI:

Hi Richard

I’ve been playing with gating APRS the last couple of days and just noticed one of your tracks…

How did you get your house to move around at 149mph? :o)

Carolyn

In reply to G6WRW:

How did you get your house to move around at 149mph? :o)

It’s easy when you know how! I have just set up an RX-only Igate. It works and sends packets to APRS-IS. Any idea how I get APRS-FI to show its position and icon?

Today I finally got my adaptive polling code working and using both instantaneous speed and direction correctly. I also got my data averaging working with a special altitude algorithm so that only suitably accurate heights are sent - designed with SOTA in mind!

73

Richard
G3CWI

In reply to G3CWI:

Any idea how I get APRS-FI to show its position and icon?

Can you explain that a bit further? ISTR the icon is a function of the data you’re sending. This is the format Rick M0RCP sends to my SMS>APRS bot.

“M0RCP-0>SOTA:/155020h5357.58N/00150.18W/Test abc 1 IO93BX”

Andy
MM0FMF

In reply to G3CWI:

How are you sending the data to the 'net? Hardware/software?

Carolyn

In reply to MM0FMF:

Hi Andy

The software that I am using at home is the crosscountry wireless package. This receives packets and passes them to APRS-IS. However at no time does anything ask where they actually come from (location) so although they arrive, my Igate is not shown.

See:
http://aprs.fi/?call=G3CWI-12&_s=ll

This was relayed via the method above. Feel free to admire my adaptive polling algorithm with intelligent corner pinning!

73

Richard
G3CWI