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Airport security part 2


#13

I had a funny experience in Munich a few weeks ago.

I had a KX2, an electronic morse key, a coiled up dipole antenna and a 26Wh LiPo. I put everything in one of the plastic trays and passed security control without any problems.

I was already collecting my items from the tray when the passenger in line behind me asked me what I carry in my hand luggage. This drew the attention of security staff. They picked up the KX2 and showed it to a supervisor. It then got swapped and presumably tested for explosives. I wished eternal damnation (and some other things) to the stupid passenger, but it all went well. I got the radio back and overall it did not cost me more than a few minutes.

73 Heinz


#14

No problems Edinburgh to Fuerteventura with a laptop, tablet, 2 phones, 817, 2 LiPos and diabetic stuff. But coming home was more problematic. My 817 was single out for much scrutiny. Guy on the X-ray machine called to his colleague who called a Guardia Civil officer over. He removed the 817 from the tray and I was called over. Then another Guardia Civil office was called and she took the 817 out of its case and looked at the battery drawer. She also spoke wonderfully good English (how many UK police officers speak wonderful Spanish?) and asked to see inside. I opened the cover and showed it said NiCd on the battery. “Can you remove the battery?” was her question. I unplugged the pack and showed her the 817 did not work. “OK, now it is OK for the plane” she said.

Bizarre because the IATA requirements are batteries should remain installed in their electronics and not removed. Hey I wasn’t going to argue and wandered off to duty free. It’s a matter of conjecture as to whether the battery was replaced in its compartment for the flight home or left in a bag pocket until I was back in the UK.


#15

Seems they wanted to ensure, the FT-817 does not transmit inadvertently on board. In the sense of switching off all electronic devices during start and landing. Funny to see how different safety requirements contradict each other.

73 de Michael, DB7MM


#16

A piece of fresh experience here:
1 HT (Wouxun) + internal li-lion battery + antennas, Youkits EK1C HF rig w/ internal Li-ion battery, laptop, usb powers banks, everything fully charged, in the carry-on. HF Antennas and telescopic mast in checked baggage. No problem in Bratislava, no problem in Edinburgh.


#17

I’ve long lived by the adage: Trust No One.
Airport Securty and Boarder Patrol are humans and as such inyerpret rules differently. Regarding the supervisor who said the 817 with the battery detached said it was good to go, never seemed to indicate it couldn’t be reattached, correct?
The other rule I carry in my head is Cooperate and Graduate.
Shut up and obey orders and you can generally get away with anything. With Law Enforment…They’re in charge so don’t make waves!


#18

The only interest I had from TSA was for my carbon fiber pole - it’s about an inch in diameter and 14 inches long, and apparently looked like a baton or other weapon in the x-ray. A quick physical inspection and a few questions later, and I was on my way.

Adam


#19

I took my MFJ whip (1820t) on this trip, and the TSA had to have a second look, but no problems getting it through


#20

Again no issues with border control, this time East Midlands Airport, with FT-817, amp, 2x 5000mAh Li-pos and charger, laptop and charger, GPSr and assorted cables. The only advice I can give is lay everything out in as many trays as needed making it obvious nothing is hidden.


#21

Likewise with Melbourne this morning and Hong Kong a few minutes ago, although I kept the lithium battery in my bag for scanning.


#22

No issues earlier this year at Glasgow,Heathrow, Budapest airports with KX2, Sotabeams linked dipole, 4m mini mast, tyt md-380, sharkrf openspot and associated batteries. I had a copy of my license ‘just in-case’.

Adrian
MM0TAI


#23

Flew from Vienna to Tenerife South recently. Fishing pole, dipole and EFHW HF antennas, telescopic VHF/UHF antenna, spare NiMH battery in checked luggage and FT-817 radio (built-in Windcamp LiPo battery) in the carry-on. I took radio and laptop out of the bag and laid them out in the separate tray to be clearly visible by security staff.
They didn’t bat an eyelid, both ways.

But i have a weird experience with security in Lanzarote airport. They confiscated a carabiner that i had attached to my rucksack, after I flew with it several times over the years, to different countries and airports, also spanish ones. Apparently, the lady operating the scanner thought it could be used as a weapon and as soon as she indicated that, the guy from Guardia Civil took over. Oh well…


#24

https://www.offgridweb.com/survival/carabiner-knuckles-for-self-defense/


#25

Yeah, i know. Her hand did fit, mine did not.


#26

Wonder if I’m on some list now I’ve looked at that website :-s


#27

Pencils can be quite nasty, too:


#28

Melbourne airport this week, bound for Sydney: objects detected in my backpack by the x-ray operator. Security officer called and everything removed for inspection. FT60 handheld radio & accompanying battery pack immediately approved, Separate lithium battery of significant concern. (It’s accompanying FT817 and antenna were in checked backage, so no problem.) A succession of other opinions called for, before it was finally approved.

Two hours later, going through Sydney international, bound for USA: this time I removed the radio and battery from backpack and put them through the x-ray separately. No one took a second look.

I have come to expect inspections and questions, and long ago learned not to enter into discussion or debate - just let them do their job. If someone finally says ‘no’, I can then produce a copy of the airline and IATA rules, and one day I may lose the battery to a zealous inspector. For the FT817, I also carry an empty 8xAA cell battery holder. I can always buy some rechargable (or even plain alkaline) AA cells at my destination. Expensive but enabling.


#29

Last month, bound for London from VK, I had the KX2 with internal battery, mic and antenna in a small zip camera accessory bag in my carry on back pack.
Transiting Bangkok and going through security, I took out the kx2 bag, unzipped it, spread it open and put it an the x-ray conveyor tray with phones etc.
After it went through the x-ray, a security guy came over and had a careful look over it. I just turned my back while waiting and hoped their wouldn’t be any problems! After what seemed an eternity, he placed it back on the conveyor.
After this and for the rest of the trip, I took the battery out of the KX2 and put the KX2 my checked luggage. The battery was carefully wrapped up and taken carry on as a “spare”.
Cheers,
Glenn VK3YY.


#30

When I traveled to South Cook Islands, and was questioned in San Francisco International Airport about YouKits HB-1B qrp radio and antennas in my backpack. I explained that it is HAM radio equipment and antennas. It was sufficient.


#31

Boston to SFO: interest in the battery, basically due to declining standards of mathematics in the general population, but after a few quick discussions and an explosives check, was allowed to proceed


#32

VK3ANL,
I have a different issue when I pass through inspections, and I’m with you…no debate necessary. I just support them in their job and make it as easy as I can for them. Things get so good we’re kidding around by the end of the discussion.
I haven’t traveled with a radio in the States, yet, but should be within the next 18 months…so long as the jackalope doesn’t institute War Powers Act and screw us all in the land of totalitarianism.