Advice on Beginner HF Equipment (Part 2)

Update: I built the random wire antenna a few weeks ago using 41’ of wire, a 17’ counterpoise, and this 9:1 UNUN LDG Electronics RU-9-1 LDG Electronics RU-9:1 Unun | DX Engineering

I’ve tested it 3 times during the past few weeks in my backyard and gotten a lot of noise each time. I believe it’s just coincidence as I get the same noise on the old antenna as well. Have been watching the ionosondes and space weather woman, I think propagation was just not good when I was testing it.

Then this weekend I took a trip to Valdez for the kite festival and noticed some easy ‘S’ SOTAs along the way. I didn’t bring the random wire antenna but brought my usual 20m EFHW and VHF/UHF handheld.
Once again I heard plenty of people whether on SSB or CW on the 20m band but no one heard me. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to spot myself, I tried the alert + RBN auto-spot for 2 of the 3 peaks but the timing of the alert ended up being outside the RBN’s auto-spot window, not that the RBN heard me anyway

At this point I’m waiting for summer to give everything a good test when I know I can stay on a summit for 1-2 hours and be comfortable. Also, at the moment SOTA doesn’t sit right with me - it feels wrong to be hiking these peaks with snowshoes and the like and not getting winter points. Hopefully in another month things are better.

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You HAVE TO spot yourself. No spot = No contact. Especially on week days or poor propagation days.

Add an extra time windows to your sota alert (in the comment section, add S-5 S+5 for a 10h windows) AND get your sotamat setup ready. Two options are better than one.

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Rob,

Commiserations on the lack of success on your activations. Must be very frustrating.

As you have investigated several antenna options and you have a good radio, that aspect can be set aside and other aspects of your operation investigated.

You have several ways to spot yourself in some way, now the way is clear to going to your spotted frequency, asking if it is in use (just to be sure) then calling CQ.

Some people just call “CQ this is callsign” then listen. That is probably the best way to ensure you get no contacts. Reason? You haven’t given the listeners time to find and hear your signal and listen to your CQ call.

The reason for that is that of all the people using the band at the time you call CQ, most are in contact with someone else on another frequency. Obviously they are not listening on your frequency so they won’t hear you and reply. Then there will be others who are listening to those contacts. Finally there are the smallest group of people, those who would like to make a contact. What are they doing? If you are lucky, they are tuning across the band, pausing at every audible signal, listening for a short time, then continuing to tune. How can you get them to find your CQ call on the frequency you are using? You have to be calling CQ, right when they tune across your frequency, and the only way of making that more likely is to make an extended CQ call. How long? Experience will tell you what works, but the short CQ as described above won’t work. So how long should you call for? At least give your callsign (in standard phonetics) twice or three times after each CQ or CQ SOTA. (Does CQ SOTA mean you are a SOTA activator, not as far as I can tell. It seems to be saying CQ (any station) I am a SOTA operator). So make it really obvious that you are operating on a SOTA site, wanting at least 4 contacts and then repeat the CQ and your callsign in standard phonetics twice again. Eg. “CQ CQ this is (callsign)(callsign) on Mount Hilltop, a SOTA portable station operating QRP (low power) callsign CQ CQ, now listening for any call”. You’ve then extended your presence on the band to 30-40 seconds, giving the listener some time to find your signal and note your callsign. There is no time tax on transmitting, other than if you call CQ for two minutes the listener will get bored and keep on tuning down the band. It’s a matter of judgement.

The next suggestion is to “tail end” a contact that is ending. Here you have an operator who is listening on that frequency, so a long call is not needed. Including the word “portable” or “QRP” or “SOTA” with your callsign can help, many operators give priority to such stations and usually they know all you want is a report for your log. So before taking the call from the loudest station, experienced operators try to give a short contact to the lower powered signals.

Then there is the “S2S” option. If you hear another SOTA portable ending a contact, some SOTA operators add “summit to summit” to their callsign, when trying to catch the attention of the other operator. Most SOTA activators give priority to S2S contacts.

Why use standard phonetics, or any at all? Standard words (admittedly, English) are more easily recognised for what they are by the operators you want to hear them. Don’t vary your phonetics, when one letter is in doubt, the worst thing is to confuse your listener by using a different word the second time you give your call, so they just won’t understand you. Remember your signal is not strong. It’s not on an FM repeater so reception is not noise free.

I give you this suggested approach recognising that you have not been an HF phone/voice operator for long and you may be misled by the operating styles of others you hear, who may have big antennas, are talking with operators they know well, using high power etc. Those operators might not be so successful with lower power and a cold hill to manage.

Keep up the good work and try some of the things suggested above. I hope it is useful.

73 Andrew VK1DA/VK2DA

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…great advice Andrew (and noted too).

Geoff vk3sq

I go a step further than Peter whilst distracted with other things when a spot comes in and I’m activating. I keep SotaGoat running in the background, with its Baaa notification sound, at the same time as Sotawatch with its names availability.

Elliott, K6EL

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Great post however I do disagree with this, have you ever seen the scottish voice activated lift comedy sketch :grinning: By simply repeating yourself its unlikely in my experience to make much difference unless the word is lost by qsb or qrm. I’m fairly hard of hearing and find someone can say the same word 100 times and I wont understand. Mike mike zero zulu foxtrot golf, Mexico mexico zero, Zanzibar, Florida Germany, Mike mike zero zulu foxtrot golf over over usual gets the message over for me. By simply saying golf golf golf golf isn’t giving much away under certain circumstances :grinning:

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Others have given good advice already, just wanted to pop in to encourage you to keep trying (when it makes sense). Me and other chasers will be listening for you when you do :slight_smile:

Hope to catch you on the air,
Kyle KK7LHY

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Yes I have, it’s a hoot. Mon.

You have a point and I’m sure ICAO has been subjected to savage feedback on their poor choice of words, I don’t know what they are going to do about it. If a phonetic is unsuitable for that reason, it makes sense to adopt a neutral substitute, but don’t change it.

I recall a QST article by John Troster W6ISQ SK who suggested that some valid words are not very good phonetics. Eg. dub ya six gnarled tsar gnats.

We had a Scottish gentleman operator here, now SK, who didn’t seem to quite grasp the lazy Australian speech and used a phonetic for F that was either France or Friends. I never worked out which. But at least both words started with F. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the feedback.

73 Andrew VK1DA/VK2DA

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Thanks for the advice everyone! Will be trying SOTAmat next time I activate

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Update: Finally successful!

Yesterday I went up Snow Hawk mountain, basically a foothill at the end of the Chugach front range, I believe it is the closest SOTA to the Anchorage municipality. Essentially, this meant full cell service.

I set up my new random wire antenna and scanned the bands, hearing nothing but static (not a good sign). I put in a spot via my web browser for 14.320 SSB, called CQ for over 10 minutes, then right as I was about to QSY to 10m, I got my first ever HF contact. I was both incredibly stoked and also slightly disappointed when I realized the callsign was KL5DY and it was someone else in Alaska, only about 50 miles away. Luckily about a minute after that I made my first DX (?) HF contact to W6JP in California!!

Super excited. I did try 10m after that (nothing) and then 14.062 CW. Put in spots for both. I could make out faint noises the whole time on CW but not clear enough to decipher a single thing. Made the rest of the contacts on 2m with the handheld

Very happy to have finally made a contact. Unfortunately, it was very cloudy and so the pictures are lacking but it was a pleasant 20km hike. Here are some pictures:

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I’d set the AGC to slow instead of fast.

Got HamAlert notifications of your spots and listened from VA. Heard a very faint voice on 20 m SSB, not readable. Heard nothing on 10 m SSB. On 20 m CW, I could intermittently make out a character or two at a time on the peaks of the fading but it was pretty weak. Would have called if you were just a bit stronger.

HF propagation has been poor the last few days but 15 m and 17 m probably would have been the best chance to work you from here at that time of day.

Assuming this were not some kind of local interference, it could be another user of the frequency who, while not loud enough to bother you, could be loud enough for your would-be chasers to make it hard to hear you.

I usually move to another frequency if I hear on-going transmissions that seem not to have the timing of someone attempting to call me.

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I think people probably are a bit confused by your callsign and don’t know where you are. If you spot as West Yukon, you should get heaps of other VEs, as they can find you on official maps.

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Sorry I don’t understand this. What does “spot as West Yukon” mean/how do I do that? I also don’t know what VEs are, tried Googling and all that comes up are volunteer examiners
Also just want to point out the irony that my callsign might confuse someone about where I am because my callsign basically spells out where I am lol

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Will do, thank you

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I think he means victor echo 3 stations in Ontario

Canadian call signs

John ve3ips

Last time I worked as guy in Alaska from a park with 5 watts he told me he had 3 ft of snow on his roof and I was complaining about 3ft on the ground

Well done with making your first HF contact for SOTA. I think your operating conditions are extreme when compared to mine here in Australia so making any contacts is awesome!

You can add additional notes to your SOTA spot in the comments section, just as you did with “SLOW” and “QRV now” in your spots during your activation.

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He’s making an attempt at humor by way of an abstruse reference to recent political controversy. VE is the call sign prefix for Canada. The tongue-in-cheek implication is that Canada has annexed Alaska and renamed it West Yukon.

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Haha well we have “cold rooves” (they’re separated from the house to prevent ice buildup) so 3’ on the roof probably equates to 3’ on the ground

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I wonder if you may be better served by having more vertical component to your antenna? Try rigging the antenna like this in this post… it’s how I deploy my 41ft “random” nowadays. Note the change to the counterpoise system. Also getting the radiator feed higher off the ground, 1m in this case, can help.

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