Hello, this afternoon I have been trawling through logs in order to submit a ARRL award update. On 11 May 07/21.53Z I worked A52AM Akira (55/59) in Bhutan which was confirmed via paper QSL. His licence was ended on 27/09/07.
If Bhutan became an association could I claim?
Perhaps it it is in the rules somewhere ~~~ sorry ~~~8-)
Mike G6TUH
But was he on a summit in Bhutan?
Even if he was, the answer is no. Summits are only valid from the start date of that association - or later if they were added later.
Tom M1EYP
In reply to M1EYP:
Even if he was, the answer is no. <<<
Sob… Thanks Tom for the answer 8-(
73
Mike G6TUH
Was he activating a mountain summit Mike? I can’t find much about the operation on tinternet.
Tom M1EYP
In reply to M1EYP:
Hi Tom, on my log is recorded the summit of Gangkhar Puensum (not sure about the spelling as it was written in haste) but the card came back with co-ords that do not match. I have emailed Akkira and also emailed the Bhutan ARS to inform them about SOTA…
73
Mike G6TUH
Edit PS: Been doing some digging pending email response. I think the co-ords are right and the location wrong. Will update when I get a reply.
In reply to G6TUH:
Hi Mike,
You would also have to be sure that the “activation” was within the rules of SOTA, ie no vehicle, only battery/solar/wind power etc.
It is a nice contact in any case.
Thanks & 73,
Mark G0VOF
In reply to G0VOF:
Hello Mark, nice to speak to you the other day on 5Mhz.
Well I have visited Bhutan and Nepal in the past and there is absolutely no way you can cheat!
Southish is Kanchenjunga - 12 of us, two guides, I screwed the whole lot up by getting mountain sickness. I got lifted to Shanta Bhawan hospital and was treated with oxygen and testosterone. The effects were uplifting 
12 months later I was given the all clear after my heart pericardium sac got back to normal. Last time I went ASL
Mike G6TUH
In reply to G6TUH:
by getting mountain sickness
Sildenafil citrate is what you need. Effective both for prevention of altitude sickness and for treating it if you can’t get down to a lower altitude.
Andy
MM0FMF
In reply to MM0FMF:
No I don’t think so, thanks for the Viagra tip Andy but no use to me now as I am ground level!
When I was at Shanta Bhawan they had to install a cage above my torso to stop things rubbing. I fell in love with all the nurses who all seemed to come from Sikkim.
Anyway it is a pity that there is no option for retro summits. I think I have found two more - oh well
Mike G6TUH
In reply to G6TUH:
Hi Mike,
As Viagra dilates the arteries I can see some benefit for altitude sickness which is basically a lack of Oxygen to the Brain I think. Don’t trust me though, I am not a Doctor!
Other than that, being put inside a sealed bag that can be inflated to a pressure equal to a much lower altitude works quite quickly.
Thanks to you also for the 5MHz QSO last weekend, it is nice to have a chat on the band besides mainly chasing summits 
Thanks & 73,
Mark G0VOF
In reply to G0VOF:
Hello Mark,
Yes I agree. It is nice to have a chat - you were very loud down here.
Since I have binned my old dipole for 5Mhz things have got better. Using a cut 40M band inverted V for 5 is not the best solution but it will do until I build something.
Well I still have a mental video if you know what I mean of the event. It was like being drunk but with no alcohol. I was a ‘tail ender’ on the trip (9th) and I just felt I really had to lay down and did.
I don’t see why summits contacted require an association but I suppose it is necessary for the database. 10.05pm/2205Z now, cup of tea and wooden hill I think
73
Mike G6TUH
In reply to G6TUH:
I don’t see why summits contacted require an association
'Coz them’s the rules Mike. 
Associations add some nice structure to the organisation of the summits. We could have a huge flat list starting at S00001 and finishing at S57238 (or wherever we’re up to nowadays). But splitting things into association sized chunks makes it all that more manageable. And you can have different points bandings and prominence requirements. If it was a flat list it gets harder to remember all the details about the summits.
Andy
MM0FMF
In reply to MM0FMF:
Andy -
I will second you rationale for Associations with the benefit of local knowledge. An Association and Association Manager is a great asset to Activators in a region to learn where and how to safely climb and successfully activate. An Association is also a good way to recognize the relative achievements of Activators and Chasers - they together deal with local conditions for access to peaks and propagation.
Etienne, K7ATN
In reply to MM0FMF:
'Coz them’s the rules Mike.
Associations add some nice structure to the organisation of the
All accepted Andy 
I suppose what I cannot get my head round is that eg.
Somebody goes up a summit and operates say in Jan 2013, there is no Association.
In March 2013 an Association is born but that summit in Jan 2013 does not count.
Anyway my A5 contact does not count in any event as he was in a village nearby.
I emailed Royal Thimphu College RS and await a reply.
Mike G6TUH
In reply to G6TUH:
All accepted Andy
that eg.
A football team arrives at the ground early and does some training. During the warm-up session six goals are scored. At the start of the match they argue to the ref that they should be allowed to count goals scored in the pre-match warm up…
In reply to G3CWI:
Not quite a fair comparison but very good even so
Mike G6TUH
In reply to G6TUH:
Life’s not fair!
In reply to G6TUH:
HI mike So when summits are deleted why don`t we lose the points.Geoff G6MZX
In reply to G6MZX:
In reply to G6TUH:
HI mike So when summits are deleted why don`t we lose the points.Geoff
G6MZX
Because at the time you gained the points in good faith the summits were legal. Imagine if Gun or The Cloud were to be deleted, just how much computing capacity might be needed to remove all the activations and chases, how people would lose points, perhaps be no longer eligible for awards that they hold. Better to not make deletions retrospective, don’t you think?
73
Brian G8ADD
In reply to G8ADD:
Delete Tom’s office . . . they wouldn’t dare! 