Activator and Chaser results

Hi all,

I was wondering how we all think about the activator results and chaser results as now all results are brought together in one list. I mean per country one can choose a year or all dates, a band or all bands, all modes or a mode.
Nowhere else but in the sota db I have ever seen this. HF’ers comparing their results with VHF’er and higher.

I think it would be good to have a separate list for HF’ers in which all HF bands are included (both for chasers and activators). HF’ers compare now in one list with people who also do 50, 70, 144 and many other bands. As I only activate on HF I would very much like to compare with people who do the same as I do.

your thoughts ??

72/73,
Frank
ON6UU

In reply to ON6UU:
It might be too complicated, Frank. For instance you get people who only operate on the lower bands, 80/60/40, others who rarely stir away from one or two favourite HF bands such as the original 20/15/10 metre bands, VHF enthusiasts who never stir off 2 metres, and so on. What you would need is a “mix and match” facility so that you could compare with those who share your preferences, and this I would guess would be difficult to provide. At the moment you can do this sort of comparison on a band by band basis using the database filters, and would have to group band results manually to suit your unique needs.

That’s the way I see it, what do the computer gurus think?

73

Brian G8ADD

SOTA is not a contest, but an activity program combining hiking/biking/climbing with amateur radio. There is no (and never will be) a level playing field for comparision with others, on the activator side even less than on the chaser side. Therefore these evaluations that you propose might be nice to toy around with but have no real purpose.

My humble opinion.

73 Heinz

In reply to OE5EEP:

Dr Heinz,

you are right of course, sota is not a contest, but now we are comparing apples with pears.
And you can be sure there is competition in sota … …

73
Frank

In reply to G8ADD:

Brian,

it is a database, some rules need to be added in which one can select HF, when this is done all HF bands need to be added up for that country (same as you are selecting eg CW)
I’m sure the dbase gurus know how this is done. :slight_smile:

have a nice day and 73
Frank

In reply to ON6UU:

Hi Frank

Nowhere else but in the sota db I have ever seen this. HF’ers
comparing their results with VHF’er and higher.

I think that is good. People of all ages and abilities, using all sorts of equipment, activating and chasing summits of all shapes and sizes, in all sorts of circumstances… SOTA is what it is!

I am inclined to agree with Heinz that it will never be a level playing field. There are too many variables.

I want to push myself a little, and have fun. I don’t really want to be measured and judged against others - there are plenty of opportunities for that in other walks of life ;o)

If the changes you suggest can be added, that is fine of course, but it wouldn’t add anything to my enjoyment of SOTA.

Best 73s

Adrian
G4AZS

In reply to G4AZS:

Adrian,

Nowhere else but in the sota db I have ever seen this. HF’ers
comparing their results with VHF’er and higher.

That is now indeed so, HF and other bands are mixed since one can’t select “HF” but needs to agree with “all bands”. Simply select CW and see what will change. I was surprised to see what changed when i selected CW … …

Sota is and will stay wonderfull, even with a lot of variables it would be good to separate HF from other bands. When you’re a 6mtr or 4mtr man you have a perfect tool to see where you are, something HF’ers don’t have.

It is just an idea which maybe more would like to have.

have a nice day and enjoy.

73
Frank ON6UU

In reply to ON6UU:

As I explained in my replies to your emails, I think the idea of being able to select bands by grouping them into HF/VHF/Microwave has use and appeal. I also explained that the job was on the job list and would be attended to when time permitted.

It’s on the list.
It’s not vital to the running of the program.
It will be done one day.

Getting a viable DB dump running for Rob to use with SOTA mapping website is the most important job right now. Followed by ensuring DB errors get corrected.

If I could sell patience by the pound (kilo for non-Imperial countries) I’d be a rich man. A very rich man!

Andy
MM0FMF

In reply to MM0FMF:

As I explained in my replies to your emails, I think the idea of being
able to select bands by grouping them into HF/VHF/Microwave has use
and appeal. I also explained that the job was on the job list and
would be attended to when time permitted.

Exactly my opinion. To my mind a multiselect option of bands/modes in the existing filters would be the most versatile solution. Don’t know how complicated realisation is.

It’s on the list.
It’s not vital to the running of the program.
It will be done one day.

As always your effort is appreciated.

Getting a viable DB dump running for Rob to use with SOTA mapping
website is the most important job right now. Followed by ensuring DB
errors get corrected.

Absolutely right.

If I could sell patience by the pound (kilo for non-Imperial
countries) I’d be a rich man. A very rich man!

Would be hard business with all the customers complaining about delivery time :slight_smile:

73 de Michael, DB7MM

In reply to DB7MM:

Would be hard business with all the customers complaining about delivery time
:slight_smile:

ROTLMAO!

Andy
MM0FMF

pfffffffff :smile:

Personally one does look into the league table regular likes to see how one is doing you and can set its to different modes & freq,s etc so see different results

In ones case one sets it to see how one is doing in gen league table of the UK and can also set it to SSB only league table as one mainly SSB’s is getting along.

I find it a useful part of the data base In Monitoring ones personal table and got a funny suspicion there’s a few others also have a looks now and again.

Like said its not a competition but sota is certainly addictive for sure

1K sloth Karl :slight_smile:

A chase is a chase and an activation is an activation! Why would it matter?

If I climb a mountain and only use VHF or just HF did I not still climb it and get my 4 QSO’s?

Same as a chaser if I can only hear VHF locals and not the out of state 5 watters on HF…did I not still have a QSO with an activator?

Heck if we break it down lets break it down all the way…lets make a list for those who use homemade stuff? Lets make those who do CW all by them selves…we should then I would be #1 in W6 in chasing on HF SSB.

My point being it can be broken down to lots of categories when the fact remains…an activation is still an activation and a chase is still a chase.

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A question for Andy, I suspect.
According to the Rules (as far as I know them), there is a special case for Activations which start on 31 December of a year, and which finish on 1 January in the next UTC year. My reading of the rules suggests to me that provided that I work at least 4 different stations prior to UTC day/year rollover, and at least another 4 Chasers after rollover, I should be getting the summit points for the summit for the first year and the summit points again for the new year, provided of course that the activation on 31 December is the first for that year…

Many in VK amateurs activated summits in this manner 10 days ago. In my case, I see the points for the summit for 31 December 2014. However, the database does not give me the points for the summit for the 1 January 2015 activation. I suspect that this is because all the contacts are recorded in the database as being on 31 December, despite them being entered with the separate dates in the upload file.

Any comment Andy?

Regards,

Peter VK3PF

First paragraph, last sentence of SOTA Database

Thanks Andy,

That clears up that one…

Cheers,

Peter